Proposal to allow Alabama college students the right to CCW

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I didn't hear about it until I read this anti-gun article in my local paper today:

http://www.al.com/press-register/stories/index.ssf?/base/opinion/11978003089860.xml&coll=3

"Kids carrying guns is just nota good idea" by Frances Coleman [email protected]

"There's good news and bad news emanating from Montgomery these days, accompanied by wimpiness from college campuses in Tuscaloosa and Auburn.

The bad news? State Sen. Hank Erwin, a Republican from Montevallo, says he's going to reintroduce legislation that would allow some college kids to pack heat on campus.

His irresponsibility is offset somewhat by the good news that a fellow legislator, Bobby Denton, says the proposal faces a certain death in the Senate Education Committee.

"It's DOA or whatever they call it on arrival," Denton promised last week. "Schools can hire security people, and we don't need students walking around with weapons."

That's the kind of frank talk you like to hear from a lawmaker: no soliloquy on the Second Amendment or demagoguery about Americans' right to bear arms. Just a simple but firm "when hell freezes over" response.

Spokeswomen at Auburn University and the University of Alabama should be so firm.

Instead, they were cautiously noncommittal last week after Erwin announced he'll reintroduce his guns-on-campus legislation when the Legislature convenes in February. Their reluctance to condemn the idea is no doubt due to the fact that from time to time, the colleges need funding and favors from legislators.

Still, the senator's idea is a bad one.

Yes, there are occasional criminal incidents on college campuses, and yes, the shootings earlier this year at Virginia Tech were dreadful. But as a whole, campuses are not the Wild, Wild West.

Neither is American society, which is why we don't need armed citizens patrolling the streets and stationed in every business, office building and school.

Public safety is not a matter of who can shoot whom first, and it's not a matter of ordinary civilians deciding who's a lawbreaker and who's not.

We hire and deputize police officers to make those decisions, based on the laws of the land. If you want to own guns for hunting or target shooting or to keep in your home, have at it; but it is the cops' job to protect society from bad people and to be accountable for their actions.

At least the president of little Jacksonville State University in northeast Alabama isn't confused.

"We don't want everybody to carry guns," President William Meehan said after newspapers reported Erwin's intention.

The senator promises that under his proposal, students would have to meet several criteria in order to carry a gun on campus, including being enrolled in an ROTC program, having no felony or misdemeanor convictions, and completing a gun skills course.

As a parent, though, I'd take more comfort from the fact that, as Meehan pointed out, there are officers on campuses "who carry firearms and who are authorized to use deadly force" than I would from the notion that many of my children's fellow students were toting guns in their purses and backpacks.

Frankly, this isn't the first time Hank Erwin has made reasonable people nervous. In 2005, he proclaimed that Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for the "gambling, sin and wickedness" in New Orleans and on the Mississippi coast.

As for the 3,000 people who died in the storm and its aftermath, including elderly nursing home patients, well, Erwin said, "sin has consequences."

Fortunately for the rest of us, the senator's colleagues ignored him then. With luck, they'll ignore him again when he spouts off next year about arming college kids."


Guys (and gals) I really need your help. After reading this I'm ready to fire off a nasty letter. But that's not gonna do any good, and definately not THR. So any help would be greatly appreciated. ;)
 
note the lack of sarcasm warning

Schools can hire security people

And how much does it cost? Will it cost the taxpayers, or will this be another increase in "student fees"? How will students on limited budgets fund that expense - or is the university/college willing to be sued for discriminating against the financially-challenged (who may or may not also belong to another protected class)?

Will the universities/colleges be responsible for the back injuries and other illnesses that students develop from carrying around a "security person"?

What if one student (or their "security person") gets caught in the cross-fire from the "security persons" of other students who are being victimized by criminals? Who is responsible legally and financially? [Paging El Teon - job opportunity here!! :eek:]

Darned politicians come up with the "Big Idea" but never seem to get around to dealing with the details.

stay safe.

skidmark
 
We need to get on the offensive. Bradys etc are silent (pretty much) right now. Mrs Clinton will give them all CPR and then we better fasten our seat belts.

Get a legislator to make the Univ liable for all deaths if the Univ prevents legal CCW. Watch em scramble.
 
Well, I don't think public universities should be allowed to prohibit lawful carry of firearms anyways. Also, I don't like that you have to be in an ROTC program. Pistol Permit and gun course is... (grudgingly) acceptable. ROTC is not.

I fully support our troops fighting in our wars, but for personal reasons I refuse to participate in any military related activities. Having to join the ROTC to pack a firearm on campus is not an option for me.
 
The bad news? State Sen. Hank Erwin, a Republican from Montevallo, says he's going to reintroduce legislation that would allow some college kids to pack heat on campus.

Don't Alabama colleges have any adult students or only "kids"?

Most colleges have "mature students" (often called "non traditional students"). They are 25 years old and older, often have families, and support themselves. At least some of them are retired people and grandparents.

If Alabama colleges have some way to turn all of those people back into kids, they need to start marketing themselves as the new Fountain of Youth. "When you enroll in one of our colleges you immediately become an 18-year-old--guaranteed." I might apply for admission.

But if Alabama colleges turn them into irresponsible lunatics too, there's a problem that needs fixing fast. I'd start by firing everyone in the administration and on the faculty to clear the decks for new staff that doesn't do that.

It seems strange to me that any state thinks that responsible adults became crazies as soon as they enroll in a state institution of higher education. It says a lot about that state, none of it good.
 
It's been over 15 years ago now, but I carried a concealed handgun to class most every day, and the world did NOT come to an end. I was just a 21-22 year old with a CCW permit, not a po-po yet. And you know what, so did quite a few of my CJ classmates. And the Earth continued to turn.
 
The bad news? State Sen. Hank Erwin, a Republican from Montevallo, says he's going to reintroduce legislation that would allow some college kids to pack heat on campus.

Wait, I'm confused--what's the bad news?! :evil:

Seriously, though, this editorial demonstrates some severe confusion about exactly what CCW is. I've never known someone with a CCW to think he or she was a LEO. People with CCWs aren't "patrolling the streets," they're going about their everyday business.

Aside from the loaded terminology, the demeaning references to people with other points of view, and the intentional mis-characterization of people with CCWs as people who are wanting to shoot other people first, the editorial is objectively incorrect. It is not "the cops' job to protect society from bad people." Courts have consistently held that the function of police is not to protect anyone and that they cannot be held responsible for failing to protect citizens. Because we cannot depend on LEOs, each of us is responsible for our own safety. Who is the author of this editorial to deny anyone the right to self defense?
 
This was posted today in the sent in emails in the editorial section:

http://www.al.com/opinion/press-register/letters.ssf?/base/opinion/1198404959286720.xml&coll=3

Second Amendment still a right

Regarding her Dec. 16 column, "Kids carrying guns is just not a good idea," Editorial Page Editor Frances Coleman delights in the full use of her First Amendment right to free speech. The right to free speech is in total a "right," not a privilege, granted to all Americans under the Constitution, and I applaud its free exercise thereof.

The problem that I have with Mrs. Coleman is that she fails to recognize that the rest of us law-abiding citizens have the "right" to exercise all the other rights granted in the very same Constitution with the same gusto.

One that she seems particularly intent on restricting is our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. "Bear" is the key word, because if you cannot bear arms then you are at the criminal's mercy any time that you are away from home.

In Mrs. Coleman's world, you have a policeman on every corner, in every dark alley and at your immediate rescue. In her world, no one but the authorities should have the ability to safely keep and bear arms.

One of the primary reasons our Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment into our Constitution was that we might be able to protect ourselves from our government. The old adage is still very true: "I do not trust a government that does not trust me to keep and bear arms."

Mrs. Coleman seems to think that persons 21 years old with no criminal record should be denied their constitutional right to keep and bear arms just because they attend college. What other categories of individuals does she believe should be denied their rights?

I, along with most other law-abiding American citizens, believe that our Constitution grants us these rights whether we are home, at church, at school or anywhere else in our great country.

WAYNE KAHLBAU

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Wonder if he is a member of THR?
 
Well... It's not illegal to carry a firearm on campus in Alabama anyways. This just seems like a way to protect students from being expelled.
 
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