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Guns and death are a troublesome mix, even on the lawn of Mosby Memorial Baptist Church.
As police looked on warily, more than 50 gun-control advocates gathered for a protest, sponsored by the Virginia chapter of the Million Mom March, against a gun-sale loophole.

The loophole, which exists in a majority of states, allows private, face-to-face sales or trades of weapons without background checks.

Across Mechanicsville Turnpike, hundreds of gun enthusiasts filled The Showplace poring over the latest in weaponry, and a handful of gun-rights advocates gathered on the edge of the highway.

The pleasantries of the two camps grew somber at noon: 32 advocates of clamping down on gun-show loopholes, each signaled by a gong stroke, lay supine on the ground, symbolizing Seung-Hui Cho's 32 shooting victims at Virginia Tech on April 16.

It didn't take long for gun-show outriders to cross the street to the church yard and reach the perimeter of the lie-in protest. As TV and video cameras rolled, there was jostling for exposure among the two sets of sign-carrying advocates.

"Yes, I tried to get in the way on purpose. I have a right to state my view as much as they do," said Chesterfield County resident Paul Henick. "They can't muzzle me."

Henick, who wore a badge from the Citizen Defense League, loomed over the recumbent victims with a half-dozen other gun-rights activists. He carried a sign that stated: "This is what happens when people are denied effective means of self-defense."

"If I'm an activist, I have to be active," Henick said.

Loophole protestors were just as vociferous.

"If Virginia Tech isn't enough to change the law, I don't know what the hell is," said 79-year-old June Hazlehurst, a longtime gun-control advocate and organizer. "Pardon my language," she added.

Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, in an executive order after the Virginia Tech shootings, corrected language in state law that allowed Cho to purchase weapons even though he had been judged mentally ill. But gun-control advocates said yesterday that Cho still would have been able to purchase guns at gun shows from private sellers where background checks are not required.

"What we are trying to do is make people aware -- to do something visible and important to prevent the senseless killings that go on in this country from guns," said Richmond resident Andrew Goddard, whose son, Colin, survived the Tech shootings. Daughter Emma, 15, and Goodard's wife, Anne, were among those who took part in the lie-in.

"My son still carries three bullets in his leg," said Andrew Goddard, who helped lead the protest. "I don't want to do anything to prevent people from owning a weapon, but it is inexcusable that more isn't done to stop sales to people who are a danger."

Efforts to close the loophole in Virginia law have never come close to passing the General Assembly. But there will be another effort next year and Hazlehurst said the Virginia Tech tragedy may be a catalyst for passage.

Gun shows at The Showplace, said Richmond's Mosby Court public-housing resident Patricia Williford, are a sore spot.

"It sits right in the middle of the projects. We're filled with guns, with people dying, and there doesn't have to be a background check."

Henick was persistent in his defense of limited controls.

Existing gun-control laws, he argued, allowed Cho to do what he did. If guns were permitted on the Tech campus, Cho would never have lived long enough to kill his victims.

"Things would have ended a lot differently," Henick said.

Things did end differently yesterday for the supine, shoulder-to-shoulder protesters who portrayed victims of the massacre.

They were able to get up and walk away. Under the watchful eye of police.
Contact Bill McKelway at (804) 649-6601 or [email protected].
 
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Across Mechanicsville Turnpike, hundreds of gun enthusiasts filled The Showplace poring over the latest in weaponry

I was there and I would say more like thousands! I talked to several people who couldn't believe the number of people there. It made me very happy to see that much interest shown by completely law abiding gun enthusiats. The people protesting should have started in there neighborhoods to try and stop the young people there killing each other. Instead, they look for the easy way and blame someone else, and think by trying to deny our rights that their little hoodlums willl start to behave!
 
The loophole, which exists in a majority of states, allows private, face-to-face sales or trades of weapons without background checks.

The loophole, which exists in a majority of states, allows private, face-to-face sales or trades of computers, which may be used to download child pornography and terrorist attack plans, without background checks.
 
The "loophole," which exists in the majority of states, allows for private sales that comply fully with federal, state, and local laws. It is not a loophole, it is the letter of the law.

And, call me nuts, but it seems to me that at most gun shows no one is there to drool over the latest in weapons... AR-15 (48 years old), AK-47 (60 years old), Colt 1911 (96 years old), Mosin-Nagant (116 years old), Colt SAA (134 years old)...

Oh, and some folks come to look at bows... 12,007 years old (and counting)
 
Maybe someone can clear something up for me. In the aftermath of VT, I read several account of Cho's history. It seemed that he was sent to a psych hospital, was evaluated, and was sent home.

Every account I read gave some variation of that.

That is not adjudication. Am I missing something? Was it actually illegal for him to buy the gun(s)?
 
The loophole, which exists in a majority of states, allows private, face-to-face sales or trades of computers, which may be used to download child pornography and terrorist attack plans, without background checks.

The loophole, which exists in a majority of states, allows private, face-to-face sales or trades of dangerous and toxic cleaning chemicals, which can be used to poison and kill school children when mixed with cafeteria food, without background checks.
 
McKelway distorted just about everything said or done at the event. What was not distorted was an outright lie.

I know, because he both misquoted me and used whole sentences I never uttered.:what:

But I'm not upset - I expected as much.

If you go to http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/5356.html and start on page 4 you will get to skip most of the before-the-even chatter and catch up on the aftermath. Peter Napp has some good videos. The stuff posted on YouTube is also very good.

stay safe.

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The loophole, which exists in a majority of states, allows private, face-to-face sales or trades of computers, which may be used to download child pornography and terrorist attack plans, without background checks.

Too right. It's why I am adamantly opposed to private, face-to-face sales or trades of anything. Newspapers, magazines, and books can give people bad ideas, and any vehicle might be used for illegal purposes.

The most serious problems in America today, however, are related to the relations between men and women. Too often they result in divorce and abused children. This sexual loophole needs to be closed, firmly and forever. Government permission should be required before people of different sexes are allowed intimacy--and for each occasion too. One immediate advantage of closing that loophole would be a drastic reduction in the number of moms.
 
In the Cho case, it was not a failure of laws to stop the attack. Was it not a failure of the medical community and the courts to check into, and thus assure that there was full compliance with the orders Re: his mental distress? In the event that I am recalling it correctly, no legal change needs to be made, rather we simply need to follow existing laws.

As the surviving victim of an automobile accident, I would like to call for the reduction of the speed limit from 70 MPH to 5 MPH nation-wide. Had the speed limit been 5 MPH, the 5-MPH-mandated bumpers on automobiles would have saved me these past 35 surgeries. In addition, because the man who hit me was about 43 years old, I would like to call for age restrictions both on owning and using vehicles. I say that 65 is a reasonable age to begin driving. :neener:

There is always a fool who thinks that we can legally control what people do. Just isn't so.
 
The loophole, which exists in a majority of states, allows private, face-to-face sales or trades of computers, which may be used to download child pornography and terrorist attack plans, without background checks.

Infringement of the rights outlined in the Constitution are A-OK with a lot of people as long as they aren't rights the person excercises. True freedom scares the heck out of a lot of people because they aren't mentally capable to survive in a free society on their own, creating their own destiny and ensuring their own protection.
If there were such protesters at a gun show I attended, I'd buy a gun if I originally had no intention to do so (preferably FTF with no check), or buy an extra if I originally intended to buy one.
 
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