iheartboost
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I took my ptr-91 to the range for the first time the other day and seems like it has excessive recoil. Mind you, this is my first .308, but it seems like the recoil is harsher than my mosin-nagants. What gives?
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Monkeybear
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I hear that the springs in the PTR/G3 buffers need "broken in" a little. As the spring loosens up it will allow the buffer to move more and further reduce recoil.
I have also heard that sometimes the buffers get a little paint on the springs as well, so you might want to check that.
I have also heard that sometimes the buffers get a little paint on the springs as well, so you might want to check that.
RX-178
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I don't know if the level of recoil you seem to be describing is normal, but violent recoil is a well known trait of the G3 and HK91, not just the PTR clone.
When I purchased my PTR91, my CCW instructor (who's also a personal friend of the family) said: 'Be careful your first time out with that. Those things can kick both ways.'
When I purchased my PTR91, my CCW instructor (who's also a personal friend of the family) said: 'Be careful your first time out with that. Those things can kick both ways.'
how "violent" is the recoil? Are the people describing the recoil pretty well built or are they lean/skinny? How would it compare to shooting 12 guage shotgun slugs?I will be picking up mine today and shooting it over the weekend. I never shot a high power rifle before, the only thing I have to guage upon is shooting my M16 in the military and shooting 12 guage shotgun slugs. I have been working out the past few years to bulk up so I don't think the recoil from a .308 will be punishing for me but if bodybuilders are complaining about the recoil, maybe it's something to put in the back if my brain when shooting this thing lol
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I'm not quite sure how to describe it, but no matter how built up you are, I will guarantee you that the kick will at least get your attention for a moment.
I can't say that it's STRONGER than a shotgun, but the shotgun feels like more of a shove, or a push against my shoulder. The PTR-91 has a very sharp kick, and doesn't just go straight back, there's some jump in it as well.
I didn't find it TOO difficult to get used to, but it's nothing like an AR15 or a shotgun.
I haven't heard people talking about developing a flinch, but I'll put it this way. If it's the FIRST rifle someone's ever used, I'd definitely believe it if they said they developed one afterwards.
I can't say that it's STRONGER than a shotgun, but the shotgun feels like more of a shove, or a push against my shoulder. The PTR-91 has a very sharp kick, and doesn't just go straight back, there's some jump in it as well.
I didn't find it TOO difficult to get used to, but it's nothing like an AR15 or a shotgun.
I haven't heard people talking about developing a flinch, but I'll put it this way. If it's the FIRST rifle someone's ever used, I'd definitely believe it if they said they developed one afterwards.
stubbicatt
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See if you can find a stock set with a heavy buffer. It will help. Get the HK21 rubber buttpad to replace the plastic one on your stock. It too will help.
If recoil is still an issue, find a muzzle brake, as it too will help.
If it still seems unpleasant, sell it and get a FAL or M1a.
Just my $.02.
If recoil is still an issue, find a muzzle brake, as it too will help.
If it still seems unpleasant, sell it and get a FAL or M1a.
Just my $.02.
The G3 and its clones do recoil more than comparable rifles such as the FAL or M1A simply because of its roller-delayed blowback action. However, unless you have some sort of physical ailment, the recoil is by no means excessive. My advice would be to hold off on the gadgetry and learn how to properly manage a rifle that moves around a bit.
RX-178
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Oh, forgot to mention, by the time I was done with my PTR-91, the recoil was considerably less than it was out of the box.
By that time it had a Magpul PRS stock, a Smith Enterprise Vortex muzzle brake, and lot more metal on it (B&T forend tri-rail, and tri-rail scope mount).
By that time it had a Magpul PRS stock, a Smith Enterprise Vortex muzzle brake, and lot more metal on it (B&T forend tri-rail, and tri-rail scope mount).
iheartboost
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It definetly has some jump to it, actually that's probably the most annoying part of it. I'm not exactly the biggest of guys at 5'6" 155lbs, but I'm in pretty decent physical shape(passed my last PT test anyway). I think I'm gonna try a surplus stock and see if that helps, plus that stock pad and maybe a muzzle brake. Thanks for the help.
It definetly has some jump to it, actually that's probably the most annoying part of it. I'm not exactly the biggest of guys at 5'6" 155lbs, but I'm in pretty decent physical shape(passed my last PT test anyway). I think I'm gonna try a surplus stock and see if that helps, plus that stock pad and maybe a muzzle brake. Thanks for the help.
I watch clips of people shooting PTR-91 and HK-91/G3 on youtube and they seem not to kick that hard, although I haven't seen a lean/skinny guy shoot one yet. Most of the shooters seem to be pretty well built. Oh well, time to man up and shoot this thing and enjoy the firepower
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Watch the way the muzzle moves on those youtube videos and you'll get what we mean about jumping.
I use a small size slip on Kick-Eze recoil pad on my PTR-91.
If somebody feels compelled to complain that it looks goofy, I just slip it off until they go away.
The reduction in felt recoil that these pads allow is amazing plus it gives an extra inch and a half of pull and I feel the G3 stock is way too short to begin with so this too this is a big improvement for me.
If somebody feels compelled to complain that it looks goofy, I just slip it off until they go away.
The reduction in felt recoil that these pads allow is amazing plus it gives an extra inch and a half of pull and I feel the G3 stock is way too short to begin with so this too this is a big improvement for me.
My PTR91 has a harder recoil than either my M1a's and FN/FAL's. It is all due to that massive bolt carrier.
You have this huge weight coming back and stopping right in front of your face.
However, this is something that should provide an extra margin of reliability on this roller bolt action. On the forward stroke you have this heavy inertial mass stripping the cartridge and closing the bolt.
In one book I read, the ratio of bolt carrier weight to bolt was considered a quality attribute of the design. The more carrier weight you have to push that bolt into battery, the less sensitive the design is to dirt, awful ammo, etc. The AK47 has a particularly good bolt to carrier weight ratio, and I suspect, so does the HK91.
Remember this is a battle rifle. Designed by Germans who had recently gone through the WWII experience. They had troops in the frozen tundra of Russia, the sands of El Almain, to the muck and mud of France. These guys were designing a weapon that would cycle in all of these environments.
You have this huge weight coming back and stopping right in front of your face.
However, this is something that should provide an extra margin of reliability on this roller bolt action. On the forward stroke you have this heavy inertial mass stripping the cartridge and closing the bolt.
In one book I read, the ratio of bolt carrier weight to bolt was considered a quality attribute of the design. The more carrier weight you have to push that bolt into battery, the less sensitive the design is to dirt, awful ammo, etc. The AK47 has a particularly good bolt to carrier weight ratio, and I suspect, so does the HK91.
Remember this is a battle rifle. Designed by Germans who had recently gone through the WWII experience. They had troops in the frozen tundra of Russia, the sands of El Almain, to the muck and mud of France. These guys were designing a weapon that would cycle in all of these environments.
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Z-Michigan
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I have a fairly new PTR91 - less than 50 rounds through it. I find the recoil no worse than any other .308, and in fact lighter than some. It is a fast sharp kick, but not all that hard. Much lighter than a 12ga shotgun with slugs. Normal advice applies - be sure you have the stock firmly pushed into the correct part of your shoulder. With the long LOP on these, that should be easy. If you're less than 5'10" the LOP may be too long - no real solution for that other than getting a shorter or adjustable stock.
The type of ammo may also affect recoil to a moderate extent, because the blowback design is affected by how much the case holds onto the chamber walls. I perceived slightly lower recoil with Federal AE than with Prvi Partizan. I have no way to test and therefore don't know if it's for real. I also perceived less recoil when it's fresh from cleaning than after 20 rds, but same caveat applies.
The type of ammo may also affect recoil to a moderate extent, because the blowback design is affected by how much the case holds onto the chamber walls. I perceived slightly lower recoil with Federal AE than with Prvi Partizan. I have no way to test and therefore don't know if it's for real. I also perceived less recoil when it's fresh from cleaning than after 20 rds, but same caveat applies.
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i thought the recoil was less than the fal, and the .308 saiga. that HUGE bolt and carrier soaks up a lot of energy
HM2PAC
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The recoil is stout enough, but that's just part of the love.
The rifle will eat any ammo at any time with no need to ever adjust a gas system. That is the beauty of the delayed blowback system. You will pay for it when you pull the trigger though. Another thing to keep in mind is that this thing is a military pattern weapon. Designed for 18 y/o men in prime physical condition. Man-Up and do your push-ups.
No PTR/G3/HK/CETME is ever going to have a reputation for being sensitive.
Being sensitive is left for other lesser rifles.
The rifle will eat any ammo at any time with no need to ever adjust a gas system. That is the beauty of the delayed blowback system. You will pay for it when you pull the trigger though. Another thing to keep in mind is that this thing is a military pattern weapon. Designed for 18 y/o men in prime physical condition. Man-Up and do your push-ups.
No PTR/G3/HK/CETME is ever going to have a reputation for being sensitive.
Being sensitive is left for other lesser rifles.
Chipperman
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IMO the percieved recoil is worse for a Mosin that any G3 type rifle.
iheartboost
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thats just it...
See thats just it, to me the mosin-nagants (I have am44 and m91/30) have less recoil and muzzle lift than my ptr-91. I'm sure I'll get used to it, it just seems odd.
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