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They're calling it a forearm brace but it sure looks like a shoulder stock to me with a 10.25 inch barrel LINK http://www.jgsales.com/yugo-zastava...x39,-with-stabilizer-brace,-new.-p-63024.html
Why bother doing the paperwork at that point? You essentially have the same configuration just called something else. Only benefit I can see of turning it into an SBR is being able put your choice of stock on it.That's nothing new. The Sig arm brace has been used on pistols for a while now. The ATF has signed off on the design so they seem to be good with it. If I were to go the SBR route a pistol with a brace would be the way to go while I waited for the paperwork to go through.
Here's the thing: If these drop-in trigger kits (moreso than the slidefire type stocks) really can be worked seamlessly by a practiced shooter, then there's really no reason left for the machine gun portion of the NFA to exist. If the distinction does become FUNCTIONALLY irrelevant, then it quickly can be shown to be LEGISLATIVELY irrelevant, too.
And that's what's so awesome about the developments of the last year or three, regarding BATFE decisions on some of these factors (like that SIG not-a-stock).
Prime stuff for legislative challenges that will win.
See this?
Buy parts off the shelf, assemble, and go shoot. Perfectly legal. (Except for the vertical fore grip. Change that to an AFG.)
See this?
Buy parts off the shelf, assemble, and go shoot. $250,000 in fines and 10 years in federal prison if you're caught!
Both examples easy to find on ArmsList. Very common, and identical in all practical functions. One VERY illegal (without heavy federal government involvement) one quite perfectly lawful with nothing more than regular "GCA" rules.
Bring that before the federal courts and get the BATFE to explain why this dichotomy SHOULD be? One of the long-standing principles of good jurisprudence is that laws should not be arbitrary and capricious. There should not be vastly different legal consequences for exactly the same act.
Now how about this?
TacCon 3MR trigger. Drops into any AR-15 and lets you fire something around 400+ rounds per minute of "simulated" full-auto.
Buy it, drop it in, go shoot. Perfectly legal.
Or? A lightning link, DIAS, or M-16 receiver...
Make/buy one, drop it in, go shoot? $250,000 in fines and 10 years in federal prison if you're caught!
Again, if there are common (and quite popular) items on the market and approved as perfectly lawful by the BATFE, which do exactly (from all practical results) what the VERY BAD VERBOTEN! version of those parts and items would do, then the courts will be very hard pressed to uphold that a law creating an intense distinction (with huge legal repercussions) between them is valid.
This isn't the end of the NFA. But it is a VERY important lever in the toolbox we'll use to disassemble it.
Actually, it is closer to an M4 stock than it is to an effective "arm brace." The arm brace idea is just a clever work-around to the SBR stock question.If it's a brace that straps around your arm, then it's really not that good a stock.
Shooting squared-up it seems to work very well for a lot of shooters.And at the extremely short length, you would need to be muppet sized to get any cheek weld on it.
Or, in this case, "and I don't either..." which seems a strange argument to make.Barbie toys. "I have an SBR and you don't."
No, certainly not. We're talking about intermediate rifle cartridges in assault-rifle clones. Not hunting rifles. Different application.They don't seem to be the gun of choice for bear, antelope, deer, etc.
Odd. I'd have said that's the FIRST thing that's discussed. Everyone makes such a big to-do about the velocity loss. Again, got to understand what it's for. Don't buy one if you think you'll use it for hunting elephants at extreme range....what's never discussed is that a barrel half the length has a severe impact on velocity, foot pounds of force, and effective range
Well, sure. Spray and pray. Isn't that what all these assault weapons are for?The intent seems to be a close range high rate of fire weapon to spray and pray.
Odd. You do realize...no, I mean you DON'T realize... that a great many of our troops are issued the M4 carbine, which has a 14.5" barrel, and so IS an "SBR" in the USA? So actually you have seen MANY MANY of these issued to the ranks of our own standing army.Stock or not, what's the real purpose of the overall weapon? Extreme niche application that simply attracts a lot of interest in the 18-30 male who has money to spend. I don't see many of these issued in the ranks of standing armies to soldiers, which reflects that it's not all that for actual two way shooting - where the other guys can stand off another 50 meters but deliver more punishment and turn cover into useless concealment.
I've got one so far and a second one started, very very fun. It comes with a copy of the ATF letter which I keep rolled up in the MOE+ grip. Although my guess is that after a few months/years the letter may become unreadable from being rolled up and squished in there.I know my next build
Pics or it didn't happen.I've got one so far and a second one started, very very fun. It comes with a copy of the ATF letter which I keep rolled up in the MOE+ grip. Although my guess is that after a few months/years the letter may become unreadable from being rolled up and squished in there.
Oh, and not 'flimsy' at all, well worth the money.
I understand the excitement of having an SBR, what's never discussed is that a barrel half the length has a severe impact on velocity, foot pounds of force, and effective range. It makes a rifle caliber gun act a lot more like a pistol carbine. The intent seems to be a close range high rate of fire weapon to spray and pray.
Stock or not, what's the real purpose of the overall weapon? Extreme niche application that simply attracts a lot of interest in the 18-30 male who has money to spend. I don't see many of these issued in the ranks of standing armies to soldiers, which reflects that it's not all that for actual two way shooting - where the other guys can stand off another 50 meters but deliver more punishment and turn cover into useless concealment.
That depends entirely on state law. I can have a fully loaded rifle uncased in my vehicle in South Dakota with absolutely no legal issues....and frequently do when out on the ranch.The benefit of leaving it a pistol is that if you have a CCW you can have it loaded in your vehicle if you so chose.
Not that kind pictured there, but the angled forward "hand stops" are fine.Where do the VFGs come in? Judging by the pics Sam1911 put up, I would gather that it's legal to add VFGs to pistols?
You essentially have the same configuration just called something else.
Initially they were going include handguns under the NFA, so they included SBR. But they ended up taking handguns off the proposed NFA list but left the SBR.Of all the NFA restrictions, the SBR registration requirements are easily among the most absurd.
You mean, basically a plug to fill the erstwhile arm hole?Has anyone created a buttstock designed to be strapped into the arm brace yet?