Questions about mounting optics/scope on my new AR-15

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Hi there, this is my first post, and also the first AR-15 that I've owned. I've tried to find an answer to my question, but searching has proved unfruitful.

I'm wanting to outfit it with either a red-dot sight or a scope. I haven't decided which yet, but whatever I use will have to be cheap for the time being.
Really, my question is, if I wanted to mount a standard rifle scope on my gun, or a red-dot site (similar to a Tasco 1x30mm red dot that I've seen online) on the carry-handle, would I need any additional hardware? I also want to make sure that I can still use the BUIS on the carry handle if the optics/scope were to fail.

Here's a pic of the rifle for reference. Any help or recommendation would be appreciated.

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1) Try using photobucket for hosting pics, they make it easy.

2) Any sight on a carry handle is going to be high. Some people are fine with scopes there, personally I only find the ACOGs to be comfortable (barely) on the carry handle. A far better option for a red dot is to mount it on a 'gooseneck' mount that brings it lower. Those can be found for about $30 on ar15.com in the used equipment section.

3) Don't buy crap optics. Cheap sights lose zero, eat batteries, and have a thousand other defects that generally make them a waste of money.

In my opnion, take the money you would have spent an a crap scope and mount ($50) and buy some ammo. Go out to a local rifle match and just shoot. Watch what other people do and what gear they have. See what works and what doesn't. Talk to people. It's far cheaper to talk to the guy that's spent $1500 on optics and is grumbling about them than to spend that yourself only to find out that setup doesn't work for you.

If you bring ammo most guys are perfectly fine with you shooting their guns and trying stuff out. The best resource I know of for finding guys in your area that know about local events is the 'hometown' area on ar15.com BSW
 
I have a Leupold scope mounted on the handle of an AR. There is an adapter that fits the handle and provides a Weaver style plate onto which you can mount the scope rings. You may need to shim this mount to achieve a zero that leaves some adjustment in the scope. The scope is very high: 3.75 inches center of bore to center of scope -VS- a more typical 1.5 inches; even with very 'low' mount scope rings. It takes some practice to grow accustomed to the location; a very high head/cheek position. I can send some photos if you like.
 
You've got a removable iron sight system, so if you want to be able to use them if your optics fail, as you say, then you need to get "Quick-Detach" rings for your rail/optics, then carry the carry handle iron sights around with you. You do not want to have a sky-high rig with optics up on the carry handle since there is no need to here, with a removable carry handle. So what you need is your chosen optic and "extra-high" or "ultra high" Quick-detach rings for P-rails, and you're in business. Check Leupold and Warne for reasonably priced, good quality QD rings.
 
Yea it's detachable. The reason I don't want it detached is for the BUIS.

edit: The Ar-15 is a new beast to me, and if anyone has recommendations for a different configuration than the one I've described, please let me know.
 
you can't add a scope to the carry handle and be able to use the iron sight

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but you can remove the the carry handle, add a tasco 1x40 reddot and use a flip-up rear sight if you want some kind of iron sight backup.

 
Ok, so i want to make sure I've got this right...the rear-sights of the carry handle could not be used with a setup like the one pictured below. Is that correct?
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Here's what you need-for the base:http://www.airsplat.com/Items/AC-MNT-992T-2.htm


YES, you can see the original iron sight through a tunnel in this adapter. It's not real easy, but they are there!

I've got a similar one made by CAA:

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Here's a view down the 'tunnel':

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As to the shims: 0.001 in of shim gets about 1 MOA---use a big poster sized target to find the holes. I slip mine into the front side between adapter and handle. Those steel rods are to help tighten the nut--it has holes 120 degrees apart around the circumference.
 
I'd ditch the carry handle, get a flip up rear BUIS from Troy, YHM, or one of the other popular vendors, and put an Aimpoint or similar red dot on the receiver rail.
 
I'd ditch the carry handle, get a flip up rear BUIS from Troy, YHM, or one of the other popular vendors, and put an Aimpoint or similar red dot on the receiver rail.

If you want to do it on the cheap, remove the carry handle and carry it, say in a mag pouch or similar. This gives you a backup that can be attached quickly. Then, simply mount your reddot or whatever straight to the picattiny rail on top of the reciever with quick detach rings.

If you intend this to be a fighting rifle instead of a range gun, then you need to spring for back up sights. But if this is just a range gun for now, you can dispense with the back up sights for now.
 
If you want to do it on the cheap, remove the carry handle and carry it, say in a mag pouch or similar. This gives you a backup that can be attached quickly. Then, simply mount your reddot or whatever straight to the picattiny rail on top of the reciever with quick detach rings.

If you intend this to be a fighting rifle instead of a range gun, then you need to spring for back up sights. But if this is just a range gun for now, you can dispense with the back up sights for now.

I'm kind've liking this idea. It's strictly a range/target gun right now. But I'd like the option of it being a SHTF weapon as well. I guess if that situation ever arises I could just ditch the optics and go all iron. Part of me wants to become pretty dependant on the irons, but I'd also like to do some longer range target shooting as well. Up to 100yds I'm pretty accurate with irons only.
 
All of the cheap dots are garbage. Even the top dollar military grade stuff isn't the ultimate solution (Aimpoint/EOtech) ...they have their issues too. I've seen plenty first hand.

For me, the best solution is to stick with irons. You don't have to turn those on. They rarely, if ever, break. They stay zeroed. Don't need batteries. Won't fail unexpectedly.

I love the XS sights. Either the tritium stripe or the tritium dot front post. At the ranges a dot is useful at, these will do just as well. Trust me, I know all about dots being faster. I have an Aimpoint. Not aligning sights is faster. But how much? It isn't nearly as much of a difference for most people. You still have to get your eye behind the optic and shoulder the rifle somewhat if you expect to have semi-decent shooting form to produce a hit. You can have that dot aligned in a bizarre stance, but that stance won't be ideal for proper shooting and shots do get pulled up down or to the sides. When using the XS sights, so long as you're looking through the rear sight, whatever the front sight post is covering is getting hit. It's very fast. Again, this is from a self-defense perspective. We're talking vast majority of confrontations occuring inside of 25 yards.

The trade off for me is a no-brainer. The very slight decrease in speed is an easy trade off for the time wasted deploying an electronic optic and any potential risk of it not working, having a dead battery or whatever else. If you can anticipate trouble, then that isn't a concern with a dot. You have all the time you want to flip open the lens covers and turn that dot on to the perfect intensity level and go at at it. In the middle of the night being awoken by an intruder and being in a stupor from be shocked awake isn't the time to be fumbling around with optics. That's just my opinion. The newer Aimpoints can be left on continuously. You can't do that with an EOtech.

If I'm expecting trouble - then it means trouble isn't immediately in my face. I have a little more time and distance to work with. Maybe a hurricane disaster zone. A riot. Or something of that nature. For that, I have an ACOG. I can hold my ground and deal with threats at a distance. Again, I'm not so sure any threat will present itself as such from beyond 25 yards, or maybe even 50 yards. I don't envision a group of armed thugs brandishing weapons from 120 yards down the street heading my way to require that I roll up the window and open fire. That's fantasy land stuff.

I'm not so sure about any of that happening. Which is why the 25 to 50 yard max defensive rifle is the ideal doctrine in my opinion. Unfortunately, a lot of people get really worked up by the internet and all this gear and have pieced together actual defensive rifles that would be better served in Fallujah, rather than anything that they would realistically face at home.

I know that you didn't specifically ask about self-defense outlook, but you did mention that you had a concern about BUIS incase the optic fails. That implies this rifle may be put to serious duty.


Save up for a quality optic like an Aimpoint, and then still don't trust it and have BUIS. If you cannot afford the Aimpoint, it is in my strong opinion that irons are superior to any cheap dot out there. Cheap dots are more trouble than they are worth. Like other's have said. They lose zero, break, or chew up batteries very fast. Rather than give you some type of advantage, they only bring the potential for failure and create a lot of liability. Cheap dots are toys for the range. Nothing more.
 
I'm gonna do some more research on that Barska. would that "tunnel" adaptor from a few posts up work with this scope? Because really that's my main priority, keeping the iron sights an easy/viable option.
 
Strat 81 has it right. Take off the handle/rear sight. Keep it around and handy but mount an Aimpoint with a pop-up rear sight that is co-witnessed to your metal sights. That way you have all 3 sights working together and you still have your original handle/sight system available if you need it. The red dot with the pop-up for emergency back-up system is a really good one that allows you to be quick and accurate. In fact, if you practice, you'll be faster with the red dot Aimpoint than you would be with the regular handle sight system. Just for fun, I would start off with a cheap Tasco 2X red dot, Aimpoint clone, sight to see if I would like to spend the money for a real Aimpoint scope or not. At least you would have an idea without going deeply in debt as to whether or not you would like the red dot concept.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Tasco-2x30m...oryZ7307QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
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