Quick Question: is W231 same as HP-38?

[cfullgraf]

with a hammer???

You could give it "lead poisoning".

Same result, you've put the magazine out of your misery.

 

[Mark_Mark]

You could give it "lead poisoning".

Same result, you've put the magazine out of your misery.

Too much of a horder to distort stuff like that

 

[Dudedog]

With 230s my gun likes both 4.7 and 5gr of HP38.
4.7 is softer, 5.0 maybe a hair more accurate

Hodgdon data
230 GR. HDY FMJ FP Hodgdon HP-38 .451" 1.200" 4.2 751 13,800 CUP 5.3 832 16,800 CUP
230 GR. LRN Hodgdon HP-38 .452" 1.200" 4.3 699 12,200 CUP 5.3 834 16,900 CUP

looks like 5.6 is 3/10s over what they list as MAX.

 

[Dudedog]

Mixed range brass, WIN LP, charges as thrown after setting measure, 5": 1911

String: 4
Date: 5/14/2017
Time: 2:30:59 PM
Grains: 230
Hi Vel: 719
Low Vel: 684
Ave Vel: 699
Ext Spread: 35
Std Dev: 13
Xtreme 230 RN 4.7 HP38 1.233 OAL
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
704 161.92 253.09
719 165.37 263.99
684 157.32 238.914
696 160.08 247.371
693 159.39 245.243



String: 7
Date: 5/15/2016
Time: 10:18:19 AM
Grains: 230
Hi Vel: 733
Low Vel: 689
Ave Vel: 702
Ext Spread: 44
Std Dev: 17
45 4.7 HP38 RMR 230 1.21
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
733 168.59 274.37 (this one trashed what would have been great ES/SD numbers)
697 160.31 248.082
698 160.54 248.794
693 159.39 245.243
689 158.47 242.42


String: 5
Date: 5/14/2017
Time: 2:34:54 PM
Grains: 230
Hi Vel: 757
Low Vel: 723
Ave Vel: 738
Ext Spread: 34
Std Dev: 12
Xtreme 230 RN HP5.038 1.233 OAL
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
741 170.43 280.392
757 174.11 292.632
735 169.05 275.87
736 169.28 276.621
723 166.29 266.935

 

[Cfish]

Like it was stated W231/HP38 are the same the only difference is lot to lot. In the past I had a jug of both and they had the same lot #. I wish I had taken a pic.

 

[ballman6711]

With 230s my gun likes both 4.7 and 5gr of HP38.
4.7 is softer, 5.0 maybe a hair more accurate

This is my finding also. I like the 4.7 grain load, accurate enough and very easy to shoot.

chris

 

[fxvr5]

looks like 5.6 is 3/10s over what they list as MAX.

Hornady has a max of 5.7 with their 230 jacketed and 5.8 with their 230 lead.

 

[jmorris]

I cut my teeth on the Speer #11... but be aware, some of that load data has changed.

Yeah, back then people didn’t start at max.

Those Willson Mags are great!

For some of them.

 

[Walkalong]

For some of them.

My experience as well.

 

[Mark_Mark]

My experience as well.

Yeah, back then people didn’t start at max.For some of them.

2 totally different design in the mag lips and followers.

The Colt mag SHOULD be TRASHED. Do you just pay for the name?

The Wilson mag feeds all anything and that tapper design with the nipple follower! They know what they are doing

 

[Charlie98]

The Colt mag SHOULD be TRASHED. Do you just pay for the name?

No, you are paying for a generic 1911 magazine designed to function in a standard (read: 5") 1911. Shorter pistols change the cycle geometry of the 1911. Magazines are also a wear item, and they can get damaged in the course of use. Recognize this...

When I bought my 4" Kimber, I had all sorts of feed problems... but it came with a generic 1911 magazine. I switched to the Chip McCormick PowerMags and haven't had a problem in 15 years. Every pistol is different, and you may have to hunt for a magazine that likes your pistol and the type of ammos you shoot.

 

[jmorris]

The Colt mag SHOULD be TRASHED.

That’s just a sign you don’t own enough 1911’s if you don’t have any that will run on a regular mag.

I wouldn’t want you to waste any money or add junk to your local landfill. PM me your address and I’ll cover the cost of shipping to me and your gas to get to the post office. I’ll put your trash to use.

 

[Mark_Mark]

That’s just a sign you don’t own enough 1911’s if you don’t have any that will run on a regular mag.

I wouldn’t want you to waste any money or add junk to your local landfill. PM me your address and I’ll cover the cost of shipping to me and your gas to get to the post office. I’ll put your trash to use.

I have 2 Sti 2011, the shorter .40 gun has the same mag issues but I mostly have it tuned right. But, my 5.5” 9mm will feed ANYTHING!

this is my 1st 1911 45acp, different beast but the same issues. MAGS! no wonder people carry Glocks! lol

I’m trying to find more of the silver Wilson mags but it looks like they are older designs. Anybody ever try these Wilson mags on short 1911’s?

 

[Mark_Mark]

No, you are paying for a generic 1911 magazine designed to function in a standard (read: 5") 1911. Shorter pistols change the cycle geometry of the 1911. Magazines are also a wear item, and they can get damaged in the course of use. Recognize this...

When I bought my 4" Kimber, I had all sorts of feed problems... but it came with a generic 1911 magazine. I switched to the Chip McCormick PowerMags and haven't had a problem in 15 years. Every pistol is different, and you may have to hunt for a magazine that likes your pistol and the type of ammos you shoot.

I briefly over heard, the Old Guys at the Gun Club talk about Chip McCormick. Are they that good?? I’ll give it a shot

 

[jmorris]

I have 2 Sti 2011

If you have the single stack conversion grip for it, like the one in my video, you should get ahold of the ACT mags. They are the only ones that work for me with that grip in the 2011’s.

 

[Mark_Mark]

If you have the single stack conversion grip for it, like the one in my video, you should get ahold of the ACT mags. They are the only ones that work for me with that grip in the 2011’s.

I’ll check it out now! thank man

 

[fxvr5]

I have 2 Sti 2011, the shorter .40 gun has the same mag issues but I mostly have it tuned right. But, my 5.5” 9mm will feed ANYTHING!

this is my 1st 1911 45acp, different beast but the same issues. MAGS! no wonder people carry Glocks! lol

Single stacks are different than double stacks. Nosedive is an issue in single column magazines because of how the rounds sit in a magazine. The more rounds in the magazine, the greater the nosedive. Nosedive can produce feeding problems. Double stack mags, if designed properly, won't have a significant nosedive problem.

 

[Charlie98]

I briefly over heard, the Old Guys at the Gun Club talk about Chip McCormick. Are they that good?? I’ll give it a shot

They worked for me, that's all I can say. That is not saying other mags won't work as well, either... sometimes you just have to spend a little money on a few different mags to see which one works best.

 

[Rule3]

Working a load for .45 ACP with 230g FMJ and XTP on a short 3” barrel.

The only bulk amount powder I have is HP-38. So I’m using it. 1st time doing .45 ACP

 

[Mark_Mark]

They worked for me, that's all I can say. That is not saying other mags won't work as well, either... sometimes you just have to spend a little money on a few different mags to see which one works best.

Well, I’m planning to buy more 1911’s, so what the hey, I’ll just buy a bunch and give it a run!

 

[Mark_Mark]

i’ve only blown up 4 guns in my life! so, I’m not scared

 

[Walkalong]

Search for the old threads about 1911 Mags by @1911Tuner

 

[Mark_Mark]

Search for the old threads about 1911 Mags by @1911Tuner

That’s my new favorite thing to do! lots of good achieves here!

 

[JFrank]

Checkmate made very nice magazines as well as Wilson combat.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Checkmate made very nice magazines as well as Wilson combat.

I have 1 Willson that feeds really well. Need to find more