Rage brodhead = bad day..

[hardluk1]

Freedom fighter You missed the jest of slow or fast and kill'n a deer i think. I have several friends with the latest and greatest mathews and bowtecs and after cronoing there bows at 70lbs with 400gr arrows, you most have installed a bigger turbo on your model. They hunt with only 60lbs. Heck if i cranked mine up to 70 it would fly a darn site faster than 282 and i only pull 28" too. Just got smarter as i got older. If i could turn mine down to 55 i would. It's more about quite and stillness than speed with todays best bows. Just harder to pull slowly and smoothly 70lbs and hold it for maybe 2 minutes when its 20* and been sitting for 4 - 6 hours. Ain't seen that 10 ring on a deer yet.hehehe I'll keep shooting for a forward lung if at a distance. Not good enough of a heart shoot anymore. To many veriables .Leave that heart shot for the target shooters. I will say that modern bows can be sooo quite compaired to just 5 or 6 years ago.

 

[jbkebert]

I understand there is alot of fans of mechanical broadheads out there. I just ain't one of them. fixed blade cut on contact = no problems. I have heard story after story of broadheads planing in flight. That just means that folks did not spend time tuning them. Using G5 Monotechs 100 grain on a 30" arrow. In three seperate bows a old Jennings buckmaster, a Darton Lightning, and my Mathews Monster 7.0. I can consistantly hit a playing card at 65 yards with no adjustment from feild points.

No matter what the catalog says my monster sure does not produce 350+ fps. It is closer to 310 on a good day. So 280 is not super slow by any means. I had a arrow pass through a elk at 53 yards after breaking two ribs. A arrow traveling 280 fps covers 60 yards in .59 seconds. Yes things happen in a 1/2 second but a deer standing broadside isn't going to far unless it string jumps.

By the way the elk I shot was with a now 14 year old Jennings buckmaster that I still hunt with. Real world speed is 243 fps. A scarry sharp broadhead and a person that puts in the time practicing is a heck of a good combination.

 

[matrem]

I have heard story after story of broadheads planing in flight. That just means that folks did not spend time tuning them.

Absolutely.
Most of the folks (at least the ones I know) that shoot mechanicals, are the same ones that seldom shoot their bows, and don't really seem to care to learn how to make them shoot better.
To each his own.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

Freedom fighter You missed the jest of slow or fast and kill'n a deer i think. I have several friends with the latest and greatest mathews and bowtecs and after cronoing there bows at 70lbs with 400gr arrows, you most have installed a bigger turbo on your model

Hardluck, No sir they are pretty much bone stock. I have an OLD Black Knight that still pops out a generous 302fps through the chrony (on average) with my hunting setup and the New Admiral (2009 model) Gets right at 310fps. The Hoyt Alpha is my Barn burner at a very quick 330fps but I have to admit with it's 6 inch Brace height it is one you have to be pretty spot on in form to shoot well. It is a bit more forgiving than most speed burners because it is 34" ATA so that helps a tad in the forgiveness area the other Hoyt is an Oldie but a goodie. An old Vortech that was custom made with a single cam that never made it to production for some odd reason. Very smooth draw and a brick wall stop. Very nice valley as well. It gets right at 302fps. As far as weight, I am a pretty sizable fella and 70-80 pounds draw weight for me is more than acceptable. Plus I shoot all the time so I have those muscles built up well as well as good muscle memory for form.

Ain't seen that 10 ring on a deer yet.hehehe I'll keep shooting for a forward lung if at a distance. Not good enough of a heart shoot anymore. To many veriables .Leave that heart shot for the target shooters. I will say that modern bows can be sooo quite compaired to just 5 or 6 years ago.

Aint it funny how that 10 ring doesn't show up on them live bucks! I prefer a lung shot anyway in archery. Makes for a much better blood trail with the spray. And boy you sure aren't wrong about the quietness of todays bows. I fire off my Admiral and damned if I don't have to look and make sure the string let go

Yes things happen in a 1/2 second but a deer standing broadside isn't going to far unless it string jumps.

jbkebert, I don't know where you hunt, but in my 40+ years hunting deer all over North America, I can assure you that 1/2 a second is MORE than enough time for a deer to move itself well out of a kill shot and into gut territory. String jumped or not, I can move a full 3 feet in half a second by taking a single unhurried step so please do not try to say a deer can't or won't move right when you release the string. People going out in the wild with the mentality that a live animal is the same as what you practiced on in the back yard are primarily the ones with all the gut shot, unrecovered deer. The same montra that is held with rifle should be held with archery, Just because that Bow can do it, doesn't mean YOU CAN

I have heard story after story of broadheads planing in flight. That just means that folks did not spend time tuning them.

Spot on dead correct no question about it there. Some just don't have the time or the will to get out and practice as they SHOULD with their equipment. Muscle memory is a KEY factor in archery. It is one factor that is almost always ignored too. If people would actually take the time to properly tune and practice with their equipment, they would have a much more productive experience in the field.

 

[flipajig]

Im with yall on pratice and tuning your bow. I havent made a long shot at deer in several years. I do pratice year round in my back yard and in 3D shoots and a seson gets closer every day and some times twice a day when I can.
I also agree with knowing your limets and what you can do and what you cant.
Along with tuning your bow you also have to tune it to your brodhead I have to adjust my sight to my brodhead. With a 3 blade Muzzy if I remeber right I shoot low left from my field points. Im not happy unless im spot on..

 

[hardluk1]

Freedom fighter Our little county bow shops owner ended up from one of his archery suppliers gave him one of Tom Miradas 100lb bows. I think a hoyt?? I don't know the story. As normal as the owner is in built he pulls it rather easily along with several others standing around. But these guy seem to be like you in that they shoot all the time year round . The biggest guy of the bunch does hunt with 70lbs but the owner and others all hunt with light weights they can pull cold and hold and hold. But still have there jazzed up comp bows cranke to legal compition limits for them along with fly weight arrows.

You will wake up one morning and deside to never hunt with the heavy weight bows again. Il. late season bow hunts sucked last year,way to cold and wet. This might be my last year to travel that many hours to hunt. Had a custom built for me off of pse's truck many years back. I will get the names crossed up here. Had a cheaper PSE miniG riser added to babyG limbs and some cams that you would never hunt with , It was a 29" bow that shoot at 324fps at 68lbs shooting a 25.5" arrow. at a minimum arrow weight. Hard to tune, very picky and hard to break over but solid at a 75% let off. And by todays stanards ,NOISY. But it sure kills deer. That was around 1994 maybe. Bow came with me from FL to NC and sold it to a younger full of s**t hunter when i got tied of breaking it over its wall. He's still shooting it. I only payed for the womens bow price instead of the the 3 times as much state of the art mens bow then. Not sure that was a deal look'n back. Guess it was a 1 off also. Love my pearson but no one sells them any more around here. Werd haveing the designer of 4 company name bows all tide together all you see is mathews of the four.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

I refuse to go with Mathews. I just don't like using a product from a company that steals designs and claims them for their own. Long story there.

As far as draw weight, I've dropped weight before and in reality I didn't like it. I've been in the tree in -15* and found no problem in pulling my bow back. I max all my bows because that is the best it will perform at. With the limbs bottomed out, you shouldn't have to worry about limb timing then. If you go with say 60 pounds on a 50 to 70 pound adjustment, you run the risk of your limbs being ever so slightly out of time. That equals just one more problem.

 

[jbkebert]

I do understand that things happen in the 1/2 second flight time. I have been shooting archery for 27 years and bowhunting for 21 years. However in all the yars I have been hunting I have gut shot one animal. Tracking was a nightmare but the animal was recovered. I am as meticulous about my archery equipment and my shots as a seasoned reloader is about his ammo. I certainly do not think that a average weekend archer should be taking 60 yard shots. Way to many things can go wrong. I also think that to many people are confused about how fast 280-300 fps really is. 90% of all of the animals I have taken with a bow were within 20 yards. At that distance it is a split second and its over with. To here folks talk about a bow shooting 280 you would think it would take 5 minutes to reach its target. I assure any one that a sharp broadhead moving at that speed will do the trick every time. So why buy mechanical gadets the allow Murphy to enter the picture. Keep it simple.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

lol. At 20 yards from a tree stand, I have to get out a shovel to find my arrow after going through a deer. (Unless I am hunting in Kentucky ,damn hard clay)

270 to 290fps is about the average for most bows on the market today (actual speeds not that ridiculous IBO crap). One thing I like about Hoyt's advertisements is the fact that they post ASA speeds not IBO. Much closer to actual results that you will get with a hunting setup. Seems Hoyt has stepped back up to the plate as a top contender with their latest offerings in the bow world. Although I really do not see the advantage in the new Carbon Risers being as they are only 1/3 to 1/2 pound lighter and the same speeds, Sorry but I don't see the extra 150 bucks for half a pound weight. But the other ones like The Alphaburner and such have really came up with a "Batter UP" answer in the speed world. Ah but I am getting old (wife just said "getting?") And I feel my archery days are getting bleak in the near future. Guess it is time to start looking seriously at crossbows. I figure in another 5 to 10 years I am going to need one. (wife just said "and one of them powerchairs too" DAMN she is mean tonight!)

 

[jbkebert]

well I will drive my power chair into a double-bull blind and still sling arrows. There is a husband and wife that live just outside of Topeka, KS. Anyway both are in their early 80's and both still bowhunt. He shoots a Mathews mustang at 40# using slick trick broadheads and has yet to fail in bringing home the venison. When I get into my 70's and 80's I hope to be doing the same thing. A 3-D shoots they may not make the whole 40 targets but inside 40 yards that deer is in trouble with this pair. So all is not lost.

 

[hardluk1]

I can't get over the fact that a cross bow well be loaded and ready all day and then have to let it off. They better be fast shooters ,they sure as heck or noisy. I will stay with a regular bow . Just go lighter as i get older. I know a bow should be maxed out for the best of everthing. But i don't buy a new bow every year or even every 5 years and have found i don't need to be maxed out anymore as even with a bow turned down my bow is quiter than many of the newest. I also don't shoot targets for score so if a bow is turned down in wieght or out of time a bit but it still hits were i need it at 40 yards to take a deer i don't care. If i had to throw away money i would have a 55lb max bow and know i can again turn it down as the years creep by. No latest and greatest, it cost to much. If it is quite you don't need the hyper speedbow and the newest model unless its free . For now i will keep shooting my turned down out of time 5 year old bow .

A life long hunting friend died a while back and his daughter was needing a modern bow. She did have here daddy's cross bow so i trader her. Bought her a new mathews mission . It is set at 24" pull and turned down to 40lbs at a blistering 198fps and very quite. She allready this year killed the first deer with it in her club along with 1 more deer and a hog all with the Rage broadheads. 2 were at 40 yards. She said none even looked or moved when she released. Best of all,, She out shoots her hubby with his 65lb bow during practice.

I will never use the cross bow i got in the trade. I know that slower and quite will still get the job done also if you take the time to know your bow. Heck oll Nug has also shot low poundage for ever and it works for him.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

Hardluck, believe me, it is not a "want" to hunt with a crossbow. They are a major PITA to walk through the thick stuff. Even more so than a compound. They are a pain in the tree stand to reload, basically just an all around PITA. I am sure I will drop weight before I fall all the way down to hunting with a crossbow but with the shoulder problems I already have, it really won't make that much difference between 50 and 70 pounds. I fight through the pain every time I draw but it isn't so much the weight as it is the draw cycle motion in itself. Serious rotator problems from injuries. Worse comes to worse, a crossbow will do fine to poke a couple of holes in some deer

 

[jbkebert]

A good friend of mine who owns a pro-shop was having serious shoulder problems. He was a true south paw which worked great for me. He always had the latest and greatest bows and gadgets. When he traded up for a new toy he always sold me his gently used stuff for a fraction of new value. So that deal is gone but he now shoots right handed. It took him a short time to get used to it. However in 3-d shoots you would never know that he has only been shooting this way for a year. So one would ask how is your left shoulder.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

Not as bad as the right but not in the best of shape either. Lot of scar tissue and deep bone trauma in both shoulders from years of football and basic retardation of youth. I can shoot left handed as well. Really doesn't make that much in difference. Hurts either way. Just something to deal with and fight through. Long as I can grit and bare it I will you can bet on that!!

 

[hardluk1]

I to started to deal with shoulder pain but was to young to think through it and changed to left hand from right do to being left eye dominant. Still shoot that way today. I did find at that time that some of the bows that were a step down from the top were for me easier to pull over the hump than most of the fastest . Still that way today to me. Gave up to with the 60 or 70% letoff and gostraight to the 80%. Atleast i can hold it. One more reason to a never got into the competitive side, just to much shoulder wear allready from to many years of constrution. The cross bow i traded for is a quick take down model so it can be back packed in and out. But pull'n that sucker makes my bow seem very easy and the crank is to loud. One friend after a fall and a shoulder surgery bought a real good model ten point crossbow, stupid expensive and after some play time went an bought a new longer mathews bow at a lighter wieght and like me changed from right to left and can for now deal with it. Youth, it was so much fun at the time . Now look'n back ,sure did many stupid things. How many of you are holding up as well as your dad or uncle. Not me.

 

[Andy-Y]

Ok my first question, What O ring? The only O ring on a Rage is a shock absorber. It has nothing to do with the blade closure. If you added an O-ring or placed the Shock absorber on the blades then you goofed up.

I use rage broadheads and that o-ring is for keeping the blades CLOSED. Without the o-ring the blades would simply flop around. After a shot, the oring is usually destroyed by the blades opening. You also have to check to make sure that the groove in the blade is sitting fully behind the o-ring or it might open in flight. That may be where your "hard left" came from. Just be sure the blades are fully seated on the o-ring before you knock that arrow.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

Man I wish people would learn to understand their equipment before they use them.

That O-Ring is NOT for closure. It is called the "Shock Lock" system. It is designed specifically as a buffer. It does aid in keeping the blades from rattling but it in no way keeps the blades in retention. The reason that O-Ring gets hammered up is because the rear of the blades ride on it after deployment and cut it up. Click on this site, http://www.ragebroadheads.com/Products/2-Blade-Broadhead.php look at the lower right of the page where it says "Watch the animation" and you will see the full function of the O-Ring. You will also see that it in no way is used as a retainer. Like I said previously, it is used as a buffer to aid in keeping the cams locked and blades deployed.

 

[flipajig]

Ok so what are the notches in the back of the blade used for.
to have the O ring help hold the blades in place while making the shot.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

Ok so what are the notches in the back of the blade used for

Flip, look closely at your Rages. That notch is uniform to the ring cut into the ferrule. There is no gullet for retention in the blades. It merely acts as a buffer. The blades ride that O-Ring but it does not offer much, if any, resistance to the opening works of the blades. Once the blades deploy, the rear of the blades ride that O-Ring and it acts as a shock absorbing devise to keep the cam from unlocking and the blades closing. While in flight, it does keep the blades from rattling but as stated, it does little to nothing in keeping the blades from deploying.

 

[GeoffC]

G5 makes or did make a head called a Montec....

I've had awesome resultes with that point to say the least....

You'll kill multiple deer off each head too, they don't break easy. I'd almost say they dont break period....

Mechanical broadheads are shnazy and all, but I'll stick with my fixed blades.

Fixed broadheads have been taking deer for thousands of years...

When I use my recurve I shoot a Zwickey Black Diamond, that's a hard hitter too. If I could get a Montec on that cedar shaft though, I would.

 

[FLAvalanche]

G5 still makes the Montec. In fact, they make 2 models, the Montec and the Montec CS which is carbon steel.

Great heads. Huge holes. Nothing to fail.

The only downside I have found with the Montec CS is that they are a bastard to resharpen. That steel is really hard and my Lansky stones hardly made a dent in them. Had to go to a diamond sharpener to resharpen the CS.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

FLA, the duoSharp plus is a really good stone for broad heads. Works really well on my G5's. I was wondering myself about the latest CS's from Montec. With them being so hard to sharpen kind of tells me they will hold that edge pretty well also! Hell I still have 6 of the original G5's from several years back. All have been through multiple deer and no problems so far. My sharpening process is, Diamond stone, then a pass on an emery cloth (just a few licks) then a leather hone. Can shave with them after that! Zips through deer like warm butter. Well worth the 30 bucks I paid for them 6 or 7 years ago.