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Does anyone know which rangefinder/s have the longest non-reflective range.

I have a vortex. Ranges out to about 350 non-reflective. Goes about 800 yards reflective.

Trouble is, most terrain in the high desert is non-reflective to my finder and, although I like ranging to 350, I really bought the tool to range in the 400 + ranges.

Thanks to any who give this post time.
 
There's a number of other guys with way more experience than me.
I own a bushnell GeForce dx, and that ones good to about 400 on fairly small non reflective stuff like goats, so very similar to your vortex.
The two rangefinders I've been really impressed with was my buddies lieca, and a sig kilo2k
The leica picked up the same goat I ranged (they stand on rocks, watch, and wait for you to get just out of bow shot then move) at almost 800 where we first spotted him.
I played with it later getting hits on stuff my Bushnell never could. It won't do jagged lava rock at 1k, but I've never seen a range finder that would.

The sig I only played with for a bit but it would pick up much smaller stuff than my Bushnell, much father out. It was all from my buddies deck, so I can't say if it would work on rocks and stuff.
 
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Thanks for the response, LoonWulf. It's funny, but I had no experience with rangefinders before buying the vortex and when I walked out of the store - in an urban environment - I was getting great readings off walls and highway billboards. I thought I was holding some kind of miracle machine. Later, in the mountains, I couldn't read anything beyond about 340 yards (and I think the non-reflective vortex range finding is rated to 400). As I hiked out, I could get good readings, out to 700 yards and a bit more, targeting the houses in the distance. It must be those nice, flat walls.

There was a leupold in the shop, about four times the vortex price, that was rated to range much farther. But now I'm worried that the non reflective range issue might be a bad handicap on all rangefinders.
 
I’m in the same market. I don’t think anything can compete with the sig kilo 2000 or 2200 for distance per dollar.

I’ve been told the 2000 will get a deer at 800 or something reflective at 1600.
 
SamT1, thanks for the remark. I looked up the specs on the Sig 2000 and 2200. Wow. And about as much as the leupold I saw in the shop. Specs say Sig 2200 can range deer at 1300 yrds! Trees at 1600, and some reflective stuff out to 3400 yards! Priced under 525 bucks. Not cheap, but not unreachable if you want one. And I think I want one.
 
SamT1, thanks for the remark. I looked up the specs on the Sig 2000 and 2200. Wow. And about as much as the leupold I saw in the shop. Specs say Sig 2200 can range deer at 1300 yrds! Trees at 1600, and some reflective stuff out to 3400 yards! Priced under 525 bucks. Not cheap, but not unreachable if you want one. And I think I want one.
I think the sig is what you have to buy to be happy with one. A range finder that only hits at 400 is useless to me. I bought a used Bushnell 1600 and it wouldn’t range a steel human size silhouette at just over 300 yards. White painted too. I could get a reading on a white garage door at 350 though. Not sure how that helps anyone in a hunting scenario. 1 in 50 times of catch a stop sign at 500 or so yards.

I’ve seen some descent deals on used sig kilos on armslist, but no takers on shipping me one. I’ve been tempted to buy a sig 1250 off amazon prime and try it out since they are dirt cheap and it’s possible it would do a deer at 600 or so but I’m not sure. No problem returning it at least that’s what the wife says.
 
My experience is somewhat limited, but the 2 that I own are reliable at about 1/2 the range they are rated for. I picked up a used Leica several years ago rated for 800 yards. About 400-500 is as far as I've gotten it to work, and although old, it isn't a cheap rangefinder.

It is big though and I bought a much smaller Leupold rated for 1200 yards. But 500-600 is about the practical limit in the real world.
 
Isn’t that frustrating something rated at a pretty good range only works at half the range on the most reflective thing possible that it should do the advertised range on. Buying a range finder is about the most frustrating thing in the firearm world.
What’s real comical is all the cheapo ones only do about 300 yards. And that is point blank range for most rifles!
 
I’ve never thought about it, but I bet those busnell range finders like I bought are rated in feet. 1500FT would make sense since it will do that best case scenario.
 
My bushnell GeForce will reliable pick up stuff like trees to over 800yds, it's rated for 1300 I think....it's range drops dramatically as targets get smaller. I think it's beam divergence is wide enough that getting a solid hit requires a fairly large target, otherwise background noise makes it throw an error.
 
I own the Sig Kilo 2000, 2200, Leica 1600, and Bushnell Elite 1 Mile. I also have a Bushnell Scout 1000 and ARC 1000, I forget which is Cabela’s branded. I have had a Leupold 650 and a Nikon 600, and a Vortex 1500. Out of anything I have owned or used, the Sig and the Leica are the only two I would buy again.

For my money, the Sig 2200 or 2000 are the best. The Leica is a very close second, and only because it costs more. The Leica does have the best beam divergence of any on this list. The Bushnell 1 Mile is good enough, and the ability to connect to your phone or kestrel is awesome, but it’s big and bulky, and it’s just not quite the piece of equipment which are the Sig and Leica.

At a match yesterday, I had my Sig 2200, I loaned my Leica to another shooter, and our squad Mom had his own Bushnell 1 Mile. We had some confusion on a few stages about which targets in the field were the right ones for our stage, so we had to range them. All 3 were able to get readings on the ground near JC products steel hog targets past 1000yrds, and all 3 were able to ping the ground to range IPSC targets past 1200. The light was very high - I was surprised to come home and realize got a pretty wicked sunburn on my face. (High light kills Rangefinding range). I regularly range 66% IPSC targets on a rack with my Sig’s out to 1000. It’s really a game of pinging the ground at the foot of the target, as even the smallest divergence of any of them will be WAY larger than the largest of targets at those ranges. So all of these would be considered “non-reflective” ranges.

You absolutely have to find a way to stabilize yourself to get a reading past about 500-700yrds. I can usually tuck tight enough kneeling to get a reading at 800, but need to brace against my bipod rifle or set it against my spotting scope on the tripod for anything longer.

For really small stuff in flat ground, the Vortex 1500 has the smallest beam divergence at 0.3 x 1.5mrad, but I believe they went too small for their circuitry, as I missed a lot more readings with it than these other 3. The Leica is the best for small target, non-reflective, as it has a 0.5 x 1.5 mrad beam divergence, but still has the processor and sensor power to resolve the returned signal. The Sig will fool you into thinking it has a small divergence, whereas it actually has a 1.3mrad round beam, but it hits remarkably small targets and penetrates obstructing brush remarkably well. It is also blisteringly fast - I believe it has the best onboard computer works of any of them, as that is the only way it could deliver these results with such a large beam (meaning it will read more often and in harsher lighting than the others, but can also resolve brush and small targets internally better). The Bushnell 1 Mile will almost always read, but it is the hardest to use to pinpoint smaller targets, as it has a big 1.5mrad round beam. A big beam kicks back a lot to the sensor, so it needs more computing power to resolve smaller targets - but it doesn’t do as well as the Sig in this regard. The Bushnell much larger than the other two as well. Nice if you’re a guy who loses things, not nice if you’re trying to fit gear into a field pack or coat pocket...

The Sig Kilo 2200 is an upgrade over the 2000, but only a slight upgrade. It incorporated a smaller reticle, plus a selectable option for mil-hash stadia in the reticle, and it shrunk the beam divergence from 1.5mrad in the 2000 down to 1.3 in the 2200. If it were not for the milling reticle and the model number printed on the front, I would be lying to say I can tell the difference between the two in the field. I don’t even bother to look which one I grab from the shelf when I go out, I grab a Sig and whichever it is when I get there will work.

I highly recommend the Sig Kilo 2200/2000 and the Leica 1600.
 
I’ve never thought about it, but I bet those busnell range finders like I bought are rated in feet. 1500FT would make sense since it will do that best case scenario.

I’ve never seen a Bushnell rated in feet. Or any other brand. But I can say - we’re all terribly mislead by the manufacturers’ marketing departments, as they lie through their teeth about actual “field use” range capabilities of their units.

It is REALLY common for rangefinders to be “rated” for their maximum reflective target range, and use that in their model number... it is also REALLY common for their non-reflective target range to be about half of their reflective target range, and for “deer sized target” range to be something on the order of a third of the rated reflective max.

And also REALLY common for the environmental conditions required for maximum ranging to be dependent upon specific criteria about on par with the stars aligning, otherwise the performance drops off considerably. Too much light steals range and can change the reading longer, too dark and you lose range and the object may read shorter. Fog robs readable range like a felon. The optimal conditions are this elusive perfection of “just more than slightly cloudy without being fully overcast”...

The Bushnell Scout and ARC 1000 I have are great budget LRF’s, and if a guy can get them $150-175 (sale or promotion prices), they are great for ranging deer to about 400, trees to 600ish, and buildings to 1000. I keep mine in my range bags as backups, and do end up using them regularly still. I just know if I want to go past 400, I have to plant “halfway targets” and range in segments... lame, but works.

With the Bushnell Elite 1 Mile, Vortex 1500, Leica 1200/1600, or Sig Kilo 2000/2200, none of that funny business applies. Coyotes and deer at a half mile, 66% IPSC targets past 1000... if I can steady myself to hold firmly enough, I get good readings, the LRF isn’t the weak link.
 
Totally agree with Varminterror. My search brought me to the Kilo 2000, and I've been very happy with it.
 
If you can find a used vextronics terrapin that works...it will range further than most can shoot. However back when they were still being made, they were a pretty coin.
 
Does anyone know which rangefinder/s have the longest non-reflective range.

I have a vortex. Ranges out to about 350 non-reflective. Goes about 800 yards reflective.

Trouble is, most terrain in the high desert is non-reflective to my finder and, although I like ranging to 350, I really bought the tool to range in the 400 + ranges.

Thanks to any who give this post time.

Another thing to consider is the quality of the glass.
With my Leica 1600-B I can see a deer at 600 yards in dim light such as dawn and dusk; and even at night with a full moon. That can be very important when hunting at dawn or dusk. Cheap glass just can't do that. You can't range something that you cannot see.

To range a small object at very long range, you must hold the rangefinder very still. I have a very lightweight tripod that I put the rangefinder on, and which I also use to hold my binoculars when glassing long range. If I am hunting and don't have the tripod with me, then I hold the rangefinder against a tree; but that doesn't work as good.
 
Varminterror, thanks for the very informative responses. You've given me a better understanding of how the tech works.

Today, I had the vortex impact out in the mountains. There was some kind of trail cleanup underway and the foothills were crawling with volunteers. I ranged them when I could.

The results were better than I expected. I ranged several people at over 500 yards. 546 was one I remember. Also, several people at 430 to 468 yards. The people with darker clothes required more attempts but the machine could eventually do it.

I guess people must be a little bit reflective.

There was a huge water tank - like oil refinery tank size - painted a tan color. I couldn't range that at all. Weird.

Anyway, I think I'm going to put the sig kilo 2200 on my list. Even if I never shoot to 800 yards I still want to range well beyond it.

Also, thanks to everyone who took the time to share some info. Got some good insights on the range finders and how to use them.
 
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