Range report, new-to-me PT-22 and others...

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About a month or so ago, I picked up an older Taurus PT-22 at a LGS. I don't know exactly how old it is, but it does not have the lock in the rear backstrap. I thought this gun might make a good learner for the wife, and a practice piece for me, as it's similar in feel to my Kel-Tec PF9.

I got to the range with it, along with two other .22LR pistols (Ruger Mk-II and Phoenix HP22A) and my two Kel-Tec carry guns.
Before trying out the PT-22, I decided to shoot the Ruger, which I have not spent serious time with in nearly two decades. I had a box of Winchester "bulk" ammo with me of indeterminate age, and the Ruger could not run it well. I remembered that happened the last time that Ruger (and pretty much any semi-auto gun I've had) tried that ammo, so I didn't use it with the Taurus. Instead, I broke out the CCI MiniMags.

I was very impressed with the Taurus. I shot it mostly from seven and fifteen yards, and ran about 140 rounds through it. I had no malfunctions whatsoever, and accuracy was within minute-of-closed fist at fifteen yards with offhand and one-handed fire. Recoil is non-existent; I was surprised that I felt less than even from the heavier Phoenix. The trigger has a smooth face, and I might have liked some texture to it more. I could actually feel the pressure on my finger pad getting sore after a while, but that might have been due in part to the session being interrupted by switching guns throughout, including the PF9.

Incidentally, I had overhead two of the guys at the LGS talking about having just gotten the gun back from Taurus, who "had just fixed it." They were trying to locate it in their system, and it hadn't been logged back in, but I didn't get a clear answer as to what had been "fixed." Whatever it was, was apparently done right.

I'm very happy with this gun. It's even more enjoyable to shoot than the HP22A, which I've always good-lipped about. The safety on it is my only beef, as it requires serious beef to engage/disengage. That's a common feeling among PT-22 owners but, being a DAO-fired pistol the safety is not really needed, and I will never use it. The tip-up breech is a good feature, as the slide is so thin it's hard to grasp it with enough purchase to pull it back against the gun's strong recoil spring.

I had one little scare in which I had just loaded the chamber and the trigger could not be pulled. It just came back a couple of millimeters, then locked up. Took a minute to figure out.. had not inserted the magazine. Duh, instant relief.

I shot my two Kel-Tecs also (PF9 and P32), putting fifty rounds of Remington-UMC 115-grain JHP through the former, and about 35 rounds of Fiocchi 73-grain FMJ through the little sister. No failures at all, except one with the 9, and it was by far the most remarkable jam I've ever seen. I actually saw it happen, and that's the only reason I believe it did. I was in a rapid-fire string and, as the gun's slide opened to eject a round, the case from the previous round, which had been catapulted straight up, fell into the port open end down! The slide partially fed the next round from the magazine, but stopped on the case, partly crimping its opening. I guess I'll never see that again! (I should have kept that case!)

All in all, a good indoor session, primarily dedicated to the rimfires. Not that long, maybe 300 rounds total of .22LR, plus the centerfire stuff, through pistols, and another 100 rounds of .22LR through my Tapco/Ruger 10/22, at the range's maximum of 25 yards. That's just fun stuff; with the scope on it, it's just too easy at that range. I did have a couple of failures to strip-and-feed with that rifle's Ruger BX-25 magazine, but I have determined that that was due to the magazine not being properly seated. The Tapco stock's magazine well isn't very generous with clearance.
So, that was my fun for the afternoon. Did I mention that I like the PT-22?
 
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Nice detailed report. Excellent.

Glad the PT-22 is working out for you.

I own two of them.

Remington Golden Bullets and CCI-MiniMags work well with mine.

If you want to fine out when it was made there is this.
http://www.taurususa.com/find-model.cfm

If that doesn't work calling Taurus at 1-800-327-3776 on their dime, give them the serial number and they'll be able to tell you when it was made.

That's if you care to. :)
 
Thanks, weregunner.. I did go to the site and determined my gun was made in 1998, and dubbed the Model 22B. Though the "features" part of the 22B info indicates the "Taurus Safety System", that must be drawn from current features listings, as mine does not have that.
For the heck of it, I tried plugging in the serial number of my other Taurus, a Model 66 purchased new in 1987, and it's too old to be found.
 
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Can you please edit some paragraphs into that?

People will read it if you do.
 
You Have Company

Great reports--Always good to get feedback from a fellow owner. I love both the PT-22 and the Phoenix HP22A and I have a Kel-Tec P11 (kind of the same family as the PF-9...). The rimfire stuff is great to shoot now due to inflation and the 9mm is not too bad comparted to other calibers at the moment (I have a .25 acp I would love to shoot more but want to avoid bankruptcy ;)).

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Phoenix HP22A
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-Cheers
 
Appreciate it!

Your experience echoes my own with a used PT-22 I bought some time ago. The trigger is intense, so heavy, but if you focus on what you're doing you can really do better than expected with the PT, and mine was actually quite reliable. I used bulk, Aguila, CCI, a variety of different .22 in it, and it seemed to do ok with all of it.

Neat little guns aren't they?
 
Nice to hear a little PT-22 love. I really like mine. It's not a target gun, and it's not a self-defense gun, but it's still a lot of fun. Break it in with Mini-Mags, stick with ammo that has a little oomph to it, and it should work fine.

A word of warning, though: DO NOT get one with the plastic faux-pearl grips. They crack if you even look at them wrong. A friend of mine when through three sets of those (replaced on Taurus's dime, fortunately) before he got smart and bought some rosewood replacements.
 
Mine was the black, actually good looking wood and then gold accented one.

Make 'em gaudy as hell, but they work much better than I expected. If I were to carry something like that I'd probably keep the 60-grain Aguila SSS in it. Might as well pump the one variable that stays constant through barrel length, and give it the physically largest projectile possible.

Mine liked them too. Sometimes I'd be too gentle with the CZ 452 I had and the little case wouldn't move far enough out of the action, but it never affected the Taurus or CZ Kadet.
 
Nice to hear a little PT-22 love. I really like mine. It's not a target gun, and it's not a self-defense gun, but it's still a lot of fun. Break it in with Mini-Mags, stick with ammo that has a little oomph to it, and it should work fine.

A word of warning, though: DO NOT get one with the plastic faux-pearl grips. They crack if you even look at them wrong. A friend of mine when through three sets of those (replaced on Taurus's dime, fortunately) before he got smart and bought some rosewood replacements.
I agree with you--My PT-22/25 serve solely two purposes:

1) Range toy (I am one of those 'weirdos' that love to tinker around with mouse-guns and I have many relatively speaking--Phoenix HP22A being my latest addition). I can shoot .22lr all day long and not break the bank (love the .25 ACP but not at the ammo prices :eek:)
2) Wonderful BUG (I use either my PT-22/25 or my Beretta 21A) as they are ideal in that capacity--anymore the .380's seem to be encroaching on that territory...

The old cliche that "They are what they are and nothing more" is applicable here in a big way--I see too many people critiquing these little guys from the wrong angle/perspective (can't make a Chevy into a Porsche so to speak ;))

-Cheers
 
Thanks for taking the time to report all of this information. I am going to buy a PT-22 soon and this has helped me make my decision. I carry a KelTec P-32 and agree that it is impossible to afford practice and I am hoping the PT-22 will allow me to practice with a similar gun. Additionally, I already own a Taurus PT-92 that I love and I am a fan of Taurus.
 
Sounds like the PT22 might be more accurate than I ever gave it credit for if it's shooting that well off hand at 15 yards. I'm impressed. I've got a Kel Tec P11 and an HP22, also. I wanted to get a .22 pocket pistol made of anything other than zinc alloy, but as accurate as the HP22, hard to do. I avoided the PT22 for years thinkin' the accuracy wouldn't be there, recently picked up a Ruger SR22. It's not as small or light, but will fit in the pockets my P11 fits in and at 17 ounces, it's a pocketable gun. :D It shoots a bit more accurate than the HP22, so I'm happy.

Those little PT22s are dirt cheap, like 200 bucks, at Academy. I've looked at 'em and thought about it.
 
Like you I have the PT-22 (and .25acp) and among my little mouse-gun collection the Taurus is as fun and reliable as any. That being said, I have a real inclination to get one of those Bersa's as they look sweet, in particular, for the price ($100 more than the PT-22). I really can't justify it other than I want one...Maybe it's just me but I don't really consider a 3.5'' barrel to be a mouse-gun but I guess it's all subjective. Now for competition style .22lr practice I rely on my GSG 1911 which is quite accurate at any distance.

Somebody asked me for the (underrated/unappreciated) Phoenix HP22A link that has some interesting info pertaining to mouse-guns--here it is for those that are interested:

http://www.mouseguns.com/hp22a/hp22a.htm

-Cheers
 
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No you really dont, Life is too short, go for it. :) :)
Man you guys are too much ;). How can I ignore such obvious logic? Now, if it were the Bersa .380 (of which I would have to go out and buy new ammo etc.) I could maybe dissuade myself against it. But with a decent .22lr collection (long and short) and with lots of .22lr ammo on hand (easily purchased at nominal costs as well), what's the hold-up? I'm IN so shopping I go!

-Cheers
 
Deal--and thanks again for that 'one-last' push/encouragement to get me 'over-the-hump' so to speak!

-Cheers
 
I like my Pheonix HP22 but it has three things that usually occur with frequent use:

1. Springs wear out. It is true of every firearm that the springs should be replaced on occasion to keep the gun in functional condition. The HP22's springs literally last less than 1k rounds before needing replacement.

2. Magazine release buttons fail. The center of the magazine release is simply a hollow zamak pin that has been hit with a punch in the center to mushroom it out around the release button. The center pin will eventually break with frequent use.

3. The dreaded frame crack. At some point around between 3k and 4k rounds, the HP22 will more than likely form a crack in the left side of the frame near the safety. I've had this issue, as have many users that own or have owned HP22 pistols over on the Bryco forums. It is a well reported issue with the gun and despite using standard velocity ammo, it made no difference.

Still though I like the HP22 because it is a very reliable little gun that has great accuracy. It always worked well and when I had the frame failure it actually still worked fine but I had it replaced anyways. Phoenix Arms gave me no trouble (though the trip to the factory was on my dime) and they replaced it for free, sending an extra magazine back for my trouble. I like that it is hammer fired, has a decent capacity, and is very comfortable.

It has its quirks but it is still one of my favorite guns despite its shortcomings. They are decent guns but I don't recommend them for frequent use.
 
Hey, the OP back here to add some more info for anyone who is considering one of these guns. Keep in mind (if this is your first gun with a tip-up barrel) that these guns do not have an extractor. If you try to clear the chamber the way you're likely used to, by racking it, the round in the chamber will not move. When you release the slide (and you will; it's hard to hold onto!), any subsequent round in the magazine will be fed into the back of the chambered one, resulting in a double-feed jam. Because the slide is so hard to pull, it will require some effort to clear it. So, always clear the chamber/barrel by using the tip-up lever, not the slide.

On a related note, use the same function to clear any misfire. In thousands upon thousands of rimfire ammo I've fired, I've never had one fail to light off, but there are those who swear rimfire ammo is not especially reliable. Should you find one round that does fail, you'll have to remember not to use your typical TRB drill to continue firing your pistol.
 
...In thousands upon thousands of rimfire ammo I've fired, I've never had one fail to light off, but there are those who swear rimfire ammo is not especially reliable...

Likewise, I've read a lot about this being an 'infrequent' issue with .22lr but I personally have neither experienced or witnessed such :confused:. I'm definitely not suggesting it doesn't occur 'here and there' but I am beginning to wonder if, perhaps, it's more of an issue with say older ammo that's been around for some time...? I say that as I have been firing rimfire a lot (K's per year) for just the last several years (only very occasionally prior to) so I have never fired any older ammo. Just thinking out loud I guess...

-Cheers
 
It depends on the gun. My Rossi 511 has a large, round firing pin that covers a lot of rim area. I never get misfires with it even bulk pack Federal which is iffy in my Ruger Mk2, usually get one or two misfires per 550 round box with it. CCI seems the best primed of the rimfire I normally shoot a lot of.
I like my Pheonix HP22 but it has three things that usually occur with frequent use:

1. Springs wear out. It is true of every firearm that the springs should be replaced on occasion to keep the gun in functional condition. The HP22's springs literally last less than 1k rounds before needing replacement.

Mine go about 500 rounds. I used to buy 'em off numrich arms, but they required one coil be trimmed. Phoenix Arms shipped me several that fit the gun without modification, shipped for free. I'm going to hit 'em up again if and when I wear these out, but I don't shoot the gun much, so that might be a while.

2. Magazine release buttons fail. The center of the magazine release is simply a hollow zamak pin that has been hit with a punch in the center to mushroom it out around the release button. The center pin will eventually break with frequent use.

This one hasn't happened to me, yet, about 2000 rounds roughly. But, thanks for the tip. I'll be watching for it.

3. The dreaded frame crack. At some point around between 3k and 4k rounds, the HP22 will more than likely form a crack in the left side of the frame near the safety. I've had this issue, as have many users that own or have owned HP22 pistols over on the Bryco forums. It is a well reported issue with the gun and despite using standard velocity ammo, it made no difference.

Not enough rounds for this, yet, don't think. I hear the gun functions fine even with the crack. I don't know. What I did have early on (very early gun bought 20 years ago) is a slide that cracked. PA did a redesign of the slide, I sent in my busted one and they sent me a replacement which hasn't cracked.

Still though I like the HP22 because it is a very reliable little gun that has great accuracy. It always worked well and when I had the frame failure it actually still worked fine but I had it replaced anyways. Phoenix Arms gave me no trouble (though the trip to the factory was on my dime) and they replaced it for free, sending an extra magazine back for my trouble. I like that it is hammer fired, has a decent capacity, and is very comfortable.

All what you say is why I haven't dumped mine. I had a problem with it pinging the frame to the point it wouldn't function before I figured out the problem and opened it up with a dremel. I didn't see you mention that, but it happened on mine where the slide hits the frame on recoil. I opened it up and now it's working fine.

Accuracy with the thing is what has kept me with it. I know of no other gun so small that is so bloomin' accurate. I've used it as an outdoor pocket carry, shot a lot of snakes and vermin with it over the years. I've hit water snakes out at 25 yards with the thing, it's THAT accurate. It groups about 3" at 25 yards off the bench and to POA which is amazing for a cheap zamak gun.

I tired of all the zamak related problems, though, and bought a Ruger SR22 which is a little more accurate, yet. It's a LOT more durable as a range gun and will fit my pockets even though it's a bit bigger and it's only 17 ounces. That HP22 is a brick in the pocket. But, I'll keep the HP22. It fits a back pocket where the SR22 is a front pocket or cargo pocket gun, won't do the back pocket thing. And I don't sell accurate firearms that have a purpose even if I don't use 'em much at the range. :D
 
MCgunner,

I never had the peening issue with my HP22a or any slide issues but mine was a newer model (2009 maybe?).

I shot it constantly at the range but kept careful track of the amount of ammo ran through it prior to the frame crack. It was a good, fun, reliable gun but had a limited lifespan that has caused me to use it much less frequently. It is still one of my favorites though.
 
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