RBCD, live game shot

[Third_Rail]

Yeah, I figured. I guess I'll stick with my choices of Nosler Silvertips loaded into sabots for 7.62x25mm for a CZ52.... now if only I were old enough to carry. Oh well, it's still damn fun to shoot... that and 9mm will make me feel plenty armed once I'm in VT.

 

[Steve Smith]

Alright, I'm getting complaints about this thread, and rightfully so. Some here can't talk about everything they know. To them I would urge you to stay far away from the slippery slope and stay out of the discussion completely, no matter how wrong someone may be in the future.

To those that (for good enough reason) are skeptical, try to ask good questions, rather than insulting your peers and turning a discussion into an argument.

Keeping this open for now. Ya'll play nice.

 

[cratz2]

I would greatly appreciate any links to pictures of actual animals taken with RBCD, MagSafe or Glasers... specifically in handgun cartridges fired from handguns.

Seems like with as much as the ammo costs, there would be plenty of documentation (along with photographic evidence and well-known third party backing) to substantiate the claims! No?

I'm really not doubting the effectiveness at all as I've never fired a round of RBCD. I know the blue Glasers fired from a 4" 686 does impressive damage but non-impressive penetration. I've never shot a live animal with any of the ammo. And as for rifle calibers... I guess maybe I don't exactly see the point. There are several 223 bullets than can very effectively take deer at reasonable distances. And they don't cost multiple dollars per shot.

Still confused, but not overly eager for an answer.

 

[artherd]

I guy I shoot with here in college is doing a physics thesis on rapid decelaration due to non-compresible mediums(water). Like how a sub can go 5K feet under water, but shatter when dropped from 5K feet. This ammo works on that priciple, according to him, the metal is a little soft, like lead, but unlike lead it doesn't sheer off, it "splatters" and the little front end of the bullet slows down so fast that the big back end goes through it, thus creating a really unique wound cavity.

Um. What?

PS: your friend should note that water is infact minisculey compressible.

http://www.analyticalultracentrifugation.com/compressibility_of_water_and_organic_solvents.htm

Your sub example is laughable, your friend is studdying momentum? Is he like your other 'friends' in 'spec-ops'?


Present me with hard, reproducable, scientific data on the matter, and I'll take intrest on this issue.

Continue to present non-science and you will be rebuked and discredited in this community.

 

[artherd]

In effort to gain something useful from this thread, facts on water's compressibility:


All materials have a property that is not often talked about which is the Bulk Modulus. Using the Bulk Modulus and the Elastic Modulus the compressibility can be calculated.

Water has a Bulk Modulus of about 300000psi and is about 12% compressible at 55,000 psi (379 MPa) and about 8% at 35,000 psi (241 MPa).

All of this at STP of course, it also varies somewhat with temprature.

You can look this stuff up online, or if you're a hardcore geek, in your handy "Handbook of Chemistry and Physics" you keep with you at all times


Hell, Steel (all kinds, but to different degrees) is compressible. Just not 'very'.



PS: keeping on the topic, a good FMJ .223 with proper placement can eviscerate a deer. And I would be amazed if .25-06 and the same FMJ.223 looked all that different after it was all said and done.

 

[Newton]

I don't follow the logic that if some shadowy SpecOps unit use some particular piece of equipment it must be good.

After all, they still use M4s don't they

RBCD/Super Fang Face/Extreme Shock ammunition is snake oil. The only genuine advance in ammunition design, was Winchester's reverse taper technology, and maybe, just maybe Federal's EFMJ.

YMMV


Newton

 

[Steve Smith]

I don't think this is going anywhere, guys. If ya'll want to keep beating this horse, take it to PM, ok?