RCBS RC Supreme or Lyman Crusher II?
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dc.fireman
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Clancy - I don't know much about the Lyman press, but I use several of their other products. If you click the link below, you can read some of the reviews it gets from people who have bought and use it:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=585100#productTabReviews
Here's the sticky from the top of this forum, which may be of some help:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=238214
I own & use the Rock Chucker IV - it works great, with the added benefit of RCBS' excellent reputation for customer service.
Good Luck!
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=585100#productTabReviews
Here's the sticky from the top of this forum, which may be of some help:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=238214
I own & use the Rock Chucker IV - it works great, with the added benefit of RCBS' excellent reputation for customer service.
Good Luck!
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I believe those two presses only load the cartridges for rifles. You still have the load the rifle yourself.
Sorry couldn't help myself.
Either press will work well for you. Pick the color you like. I myself have the RCBS. Good luck with your new endeavor, and have a Merry Christmas.
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Both of those presses are good. Of the two, the RC will work with the Hornady LNL conversion kit, to use LNL bushings on dies for a quick 1/8 twist and remove/install. The Lyman press is not compatible with LNL.
However, you should probably also look at the Lee Classic Cast single stage press. It is compatible with LNL conversion kit, and has through-the-ram spent primer handling, which the others lack. Without it, you will get spent primers and debris all over the press, the bench and the floor. The LCC also has a fully adjustable handle, and at a great price (less expensive than the other two). I'm not a fan of some of Lee's products, but this is a good one.
Other examples of presses that have through the ram spent primer handling and LNL compatibility are the Redding Big Boss II and UltraMag. Both are more expensive than the ones you are looking at. The BBII doesn't really offer anything that the LCC doesn't, and lacks the adjustable handle of the LCC. The UltraMag is great for longer magnum cartridges (longer than standard magnum length).
Finally, also more expensive than all the above except the UltraMag, the Forster Co-Ax has through the ram spent primer handling, and it's own quick change die retention system that does not require additional bushings on the dies. It has several other advantages for both accuracy and ease of use.
Andy
However, you should probably also look at the Lee Classic Cast single stage press. It is compatible with LNL conversion kit, and has through-the-ram spent primer handling, which the others lack. Without it, you will get spent primers and debris all over the press, the bench and the floor. The LCC also has a fully adjustable handle, and at a great price (less expensive than the other two). I'm not a fan of some of Lee's products, but this is a good one.
Other examples of presses that have through the ram spent primer handling and LNL compatibility are the Redding Big Boss II and UltraMag. Both are more expensive than the ones you are looking at. The BBII doesn't really offer anything that the LCC doesn't, and lacks the adjustable handle of the LCC. The UltraMag is great for longer magnum cartridges (longer than standard magnum length).
Finally, also more expensive than all the above except the UltraMag, the Forster Co-Ax has through the ram spent primer handling, and it's own quick change die retention system that does not require additional bushings on the dies. It has several other advantages for both accuracy and ease of use.
Andy
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The RC IV Rock crusher, has through the ram spent primer disposal - at least on mine. It gets punched out by t he primer pin, and then drops through the slot on the rear of the ram, and into an upside down 'V' shaped cup.
I also like the sturdy looks of the Lee Classic cast press, though I've never had the occasion to use one.
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I also like the sturdy looks of the Lee Classic cast press, though I've never had the occasion to use one.
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I use LNL bushings in my big Lyman Orange Crusher.
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" I have it narrowed down to a Lyman Crusher II or a RCBS RC Supreme. Both sound good and I was wondering if anybody had any input as to which is the better reloader."
There is absolutely no functional difference between them. Ditto the Lee Classic Cast, which has much superiour user features than either of them; cost is a lot less too!
There is absolutely no functional difference between them. Ditto the Lee Classic Cast, which has much superiour user features than either of them; cost is a lot less too!
I sold my old RC and replaced it with a Lyman Orange Crusher yrs ago due to the larger "window" on the Lyman. The RCBS was a great press but, had just too tight of a work space between the die and ram for me at time. I`ve been more then happy with the Lyman ever since, but today I`d look at the Lee as suggested too. Out of the 3, I suspect the Lee Classic cast might just be a little better deal
BigJakeJ1s
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The old lyman orange crusher is different in more ways than just paint color than the current Crusher II model.
Andy
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"The old lyman orange crusher is different in more ways than just paint color .."
Andy, is the difference good-bad-indifferent, and how so please?
Andy, is the difference good-bad-indifferent, and how so please?
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"I can't imagine going back to laboriously adjusting my dies every time I used them. - CW"
I'm puzzled; what does a quick-change bushing on your dies do that the die lock-ring doesnt?
I'm puzzled; what does a quick-change bushing on your dies do that the die lock-ring doesnt?
BigJakeJ1s
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The older orange crusher had a screw-in reducer bushing to fit the 7/8-14 standard threaded dies. You could remove it and replace it with the Hornady LNL press conversion bushing. The new Crusher two does not have the reducer bushing, and the frame is threaded directly for 7/8-14 dies.
I'm not sure about other changes (besides the aforementioned paint color).
IMHO, the Lee Classic Cast beats them both, and at a better price.
If price were no object, the Forster co-ax is better yet.
Andy
I'm not sure about other changes (besides the aforementioned paint color).
IMHO, the Lee Classic Cast beats them both, and at a better price.
If price were no object, the Forster co-ax is better yet.
Andy
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That depends on the lock ring. Dillon and Lee lock rings don't stay put once you remove the die from the press. Ones with set screws are better, but ones with cross-bolts are best.
If you use a Hornady LNL bushing, the die never leaves the bushing, so any kind of lock ring can be jammed against the top of the bushing and will stay put in or out of the press.
Andy
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I never used the Lyman press so I can't comment on it. I do have an older Rock Chucker and IMO it's a outstanding single stage press. It's solid as a rock but I'm sure the Lyman is too as is the Lee Classic Single Stage press.
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Everyone,
Please bring it back to what the OP posted. As someone who is trying to get into reloading myself these are two of the kits that we consider. I have seen the posts on midway and they seem to go either way for quality/workmanship for each component in the kits. My two cents to the OP are if you're going for rifle the Lyman kit has more of what will be used then RCBS's if its handgun then pick what you want.
Please bring it back to what the OP posted. As someone who is trying to get into reloading myself these are two of the kits that we consider. I have seen the posts on midway and they seem to go either way for quality/workmanship for each component in the kits. My two cents to the OP are if you're going for rifle the Lyman kit has more of what will be used then RCBS's if its handgun then pick what you want.
I have a Lyman Crusher rotary press, and I've been happy with it.
the only thing I don't care for is the primer feeding system, which looks to be the same as the one mentioned in the first post.
If you don't get the primer tube set up exactly right, it will flip the primers, or will spit out every other primer. The press comes with a primer catcher, which is nice, but I hate having to reset the primer tubes if it's not right.
It'll also spit out the last primer, regardless of how I set it up. Haven't figured that one out yet...
I also wish the primer catcher had a higher capacity. You can only pop maybe a hundred or so before it's full. If you fill it too much, they'll dump out when you go to remove the catch.
the only thing I don't care for is the primer feeding system, which looks to be the same as the one mentioned in the first post.
If you don't get the primer tube set up exactly right, it will flip the primers, or will spit out every other primer. The press comes with a primer catcher, which is nice, but I hate having to reset the primer tubes if it's not right.
It'll also spit out the last primer, regardless of how I set it up. Haven't figured that one out yet...
I also wish the primer catcher had a higher capacity. You can only pop maybe a hundred or so before it's full. If you fill it too much, they'll dump out when you go to remove the catch.
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what would you like to shoot?
how much would you like to shoot?
What is your budget?
how much would you like to shoot?
What is your budget?
cheygriz
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I prefer the Lyman, but you really can't go wrong with either. They're both superb machines.
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