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Please read this before you come to Jersey.....
Please read this before you come to Jersey.....
Read this before you come to Jersey....
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Hokie_PhD
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I saw this case, and it makes me sick. I hope that this person finds a good pro 2nd Amendment lawyer and is able to fight this to the point of getting their unConstitutional laws thrown out. My guess is that they plea a deal as the system is setup to get us to admit to “crimes” of a lower level in order to avoid jail.
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Ya left out one item, in Jersey......"behind closed doors".......OMO.
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Sounds like a pretty clear cut case for the state.
Well, the problem is that New Jersey's gun laws have not been ruled unconstitutional and until that happens, they are enforceable. Ms. Gracey was carrying a concealed weapon in her car for which she did not have an appropriate permit for New Jersey. That makes her guilty of a felony. So, any plea deal she might be offered is not a device to force someone to admit to a crime in order to avoid the possibility of a harsher sentence, it is simply the operation of a set of laws that the people on this board, myself included, happen to believe are wrong.
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Is it unusual that the two prosecuted have been women.........
While I have sympathy for Ms. Gracey, that sentiment is tempered by the fact New Jersey did not enact its draconian gun laws last week. New Jersey's gun laws - and their "zealous" enforcement - particularly against out-of-state residents is well known and subject of frequent outcry in the gun-owning community.
Further, Ms. Gracey had a Florida concealed handgun license. That means she took the class required to obtain it. And that class points out the limitations of the rights conferred by a state gun license and the limits of reciprocity. Responsible gun ownership means being familiar with the laws governing the ownership and use of guns in the jurisdictions you will be in. Ms. Gracey clearly did not do this.
We should all take a lesson from MsGracey's experience and take the few minutes it requires to check the gun laws of the states we might be traveling to, or through, to ensure we are compliant and avoid a similar fate.
Further, Ms. Gracey had a Florida concealed handgun license. That means she took the class required to obtain it. And that class points out the limitations of the rights conferred by a state gun license and the limits of reciprocity. Responsible gun ownership means being familiar with the laws governing the ownership and use of guns in the jurisdictions you will be in. Ms. Gracey clearly did not do this.
We should all take a lesson from MsGracey's experience and take the few minutes it requires to check the gun laws of the states we might be traveling to, or through, to ensure we are compliant and avoid a similar fate.
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She obviously wasn't as she stated.....another lady that I know personally drove to Atlantic City with her hand gun in her purse....again, not thinking....but she got home without being stopped....she didn't have what looks like Rosary Beads on her mirror....a shell.
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Her window tinting is less than my wife's car has here in New Mexico. Doubtless that we will ever drive that far, but I know what car I will NOT be taking should we have the dubious honor of driving through the Garden State.
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I lived in the People's Republic for 27 years. I belonged to a very active gun club in my town. We constantly heard horror stories about mistaken gun situations.
There are a number of active groups that are trying to get these dinosaur laws changed but every time the legislators meet, the laws just seem to get worse.
All the protest visits to Trenton did no good at all.
Funny thing is, now here in Tennessee (yes, I escaped), there are still a good supply of RINOS that are not letting new favorable gun laws out of committee to even come to a vote on the floor.
No matter how many feel about Christie, he has pardoned a good number of people that have fallen victim to the Republic's laws.
I drive up there a few times a year in a rented car with plates from states here in the south. I have yet to be stopped, but I am sure the day will come and when asked if I have a gun, I am going to say, "No, I am here to visit, not stay." I will be telling the truth. Then when asked to search the car. Quite sure that will come next. I'm still not sure if I will say no or not. I detest the idea of being the fish that is trying to be caught.
There are a number of active groups that are trying to get these dinosaur laws changed but every time the legislators meet, the laws just seem to get worse.
All the protest visits to Trenton did no good at all.
Funny thing is, now here in Tennessee (yes, I escaped), there are still a good supply of RINOS that are not letting new favorable gun laws out of committee to even come to a vote on the floor.
No matter how many feel about Christie, he has pardoned a good number of people that have fallen victim to the Republic's laws.
I drive up there a few times a year in a rented car with plates from states here in the south. I have yet to be stopped, but I am sure the day will come and when asked if I have a gun, I am going to say, "No, I am here to visit, not stay." I will be telling the truth. Then when asked to search the car. Quite sure that will come next. I'm still not sure if I will say no or not. I detest the idea of being the fish that is trying to be caught.
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A fish is caught only when he opens his mouth...........
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Just because a law hasn’t been ruled unConstitutional doesn’t mean it is valid.
DC has had their gun laws rules unConstitutional over and over and they charge a few words and continue to enforce them. Yet drug dealers and other criminals get out of jail before the arresting officer can finish the paperwork.
And no, she’s not guilty unless she’s found guilty by a jury, a judge if she waves a jury trial or she pleas.
I’ll reapectdully disagree with you on pleas. They’re often pushed to end long drawn out legal fights. Too many people take them because of the expense, time and risk. IMHO they’re are places for them, but too many people wind up taking them because the state has virtually endless resources and people like this woman don’t.
I agree the woman should have been careful going into NJ. We are taught to know the laws of the states we will be traveling to. But that doesn’t make unComstitutional laws right.
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Gun folks like us may be well aware of New Jersey gun laws. People who acquire a gun for self defense only, and get a license to carry from their state, often do not realize that out-of-state gun carry license/permit is not always recognized like an out-of-state drivers license or marriage certificate is recognized.
"If she had been smart there never would have been any reason for the officer to know she had a permit or a firearm on her."
I have been told that when law enforcement runs my tag, they know it is registered to me, what my driver's license number is, and whether I have a handgun carry permit. My TDL number is my THCP number. I do not have to show THCP or tell. They know before they approach the vehicle. In Tennessee police do not freak out over permit holders; I am not sure I would want to be pulled over in some other states.
BTW, Tennessee recognizes any valid state issued gun carry permit/license.
"If she had been smart there never would have been any reason for the officer to know she had a permit or a firearm on her."
I have been told that when law enforcement runs my tag, they know it is registered to me, what my driver's license number is, and whether I have a handgun carry permit. My TDL number is my THCP number. I do not have to show THCP or tell. They know before they approach the vehicle. In Tennessee police do not freak out over permit holders; I am not sure I would want to be pulled over in some other states.
BTW, Tennessee recognizes any valid state issued gun carry permit/license.
More fish are caught in nets than by hooks. This practice is a net.
Actually it does. It is in fact the law that laws are presumed to be constitutional. The courts give deference to legislative acts and presume statutes valid and enforceable, unless/until unconstitutionality is determined. As the Supreme Court said in Brown v. State of Maryland, 25 U.S. 419 (1827), at 437:
And much more recently in U.S. v Morrison, 529 U.S. 598 (2000):
So in the real world a statute is valid and enforceable unless and until it is found invalid by a court having appropriate jurisdiction.
And this case is already under discussion here.
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