MachIVshooter said:
That said, I think we can safely say that this is an unusual situation, with that many rounds finding their mark on both sides and the fight continuing.
Not unusual, less common than not, but certainly not unusual.
Exchanging pistol rounds in any "fair" fight is fairly common, especially at very close range where either can score rapid hits with minimal skill.
"Fair" in the sense of both individuals armed and facing each other when hostilities start.
If you look at the reports of most self defense scenarios where a bad guy dies it is quite often after they ran out of the home/store, to collapse outside or down the street. It is a lot easier to point and move your finger to return fire than run a distance with holes in you. Yet the bad guys still managed to run quite a ways. So it is only because their priority was escape and getting away that those were the final actions they chose to perform.
We have had threads on this forum of individuals trading multiple hits with bad guys.
Such things are not new either, even going back to duels in early America you can find a number of them, including several famous ones, where both people involved die. Quite contrary to the movie showdowns where the fastest gun and first good shot always wins the fight.
It is those so psychologically shocked they have been shot that drop to the ground immediately, but even they typically have the ability to react, they simply choose to clutch their wounds in shock.
In this case the officer was not aware that he had been shot until they were exchanging shots. He thought the blow he felt to his face was a powerful punch to the face.
So he didn't have to go through the emotional trauma of the realization he had been shot in the head until he was in the middle of a gunfight.
newbuckeye said:
Imagine what HP rounds would have done instead of FMJ.
Not much, the .45 is a big slow round and the thin tissue over the jaw and teeth has very little soft tissue to apply force to and open up a hollowpoint.
It went through a thin amount of skin before impacting bone and hard porcelain like teeth. The result is a typical hollowpoint would have likely had the front damage so much that it wouldn't be doing a lot of opening up and been little different from the FMJ.
It then exited.
Even in typical torso hits hollowpoints don't open up like they do in water and gel tests where the medium is a solid consistent and deep amount of liquid to push the petals apart and give uniform expansion. Ribs and other bone damage and deform the soft engineered bullet designed to work with the energy of a pistol resulting in less predictable results. While in pure gel or water, or other uniform soft testing material the bullet has uniform pressure applied within the undamaged and uniformly shaped hollowpoint and can open up into a perfect flower, which someone can take a picture of and post online to marvel at and compare.
