Realistic gun scenes in movies.

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"the scene in the dance club where Cruise's character goes into the dance club to bring out Jamie Foxx's character and gets into a giant shootout with the bad guys and the cops who are close on his tail just defied credibility. He charged right into this loud, dark, crowded atmosphere and ends up taking out all those he needs to."



I don't remember this scene. I know a scene where Vincent went into a club to kill a target but that's it. He brought Max in because he couldn't leave him alone. Me, I would have gotten another driver but I'm no hitman so what do I know?
 
I picked up a cheap copy of 'way of the gun' when a local video store was heavily converting to DVD, basically same price as renting, and I remembered seeing previews.

This movie has a few good gun moments, but in general, no, i'd say it is not a good gun movie.

It shows a tiny bit use of cover, but really, is it there because it is gun accurate, or because they want the funny scene of jumping into an empty fountain for cover and landing on a bunch of glass---which to me, a thousand shallow cuts from glass (and probably much much fewer) is better than getting shot.

When it got time to do some serious fighting, the 2 main characters got shoulder weapons, which is always a plus, but the old school hitman having enough snub nose 38s he can have a whole pillowcase full of them? the old schoolers should have been smart enough to get some serious hardware.

The fall back scene after the initial kidnapping seemed poorly played out. Like the director saw it in another movie and liked it, same with getting out of the car and walking with it with shotgun out on the chase scene.

Plus the whole logical inconsistency of a pair of screwball wanderers having access to galil etc, when you never see it before, or even where did they get the skills to defeat a pack of apparently highly expensive and skilled bodyguards.
 
Collateral, Heat, Dawn of the Dead (new one) and Saving Private Ryan are the four movies I would say.
 
I don't remember this scene....
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It's been some time since I've seen the movie too. Now that I think about it, there may have been two "club" scenes. In the first, Vincent made Jamie Foxx's character (Max) impersonate himself as a ruse to get into the club to retrieve a fresh copy of the list that had been thrown over the freeway overpass. When they got to the second club, Vincent went in to kill the oriental gangster. At some point, Max goes into the club too. Tons of shooting (including MP5s, IIRC) as the music is blaring, people are screaming and running--and apparantly Vincent, the gangsters, and the cops (including the Fed's) know exactly who their opponents are at all times. The one loner cop who had figured that all these professional-looking murders in one night are somehow connected and then projected that forward to who the next guy to be killed is, ends up getting shot by Vincent as he tries to get Max out of the club. Max ends up back in the cab with Vincent. This one shooting scene included far too much confusion for me to believe that even the most professional and proficient shooter could pull off accurate and efficient (by that I mean--few bystanders were shot) shots.

For me, one of the best parts of the movie was that his gun (I think it was a HK USP-Compact) did not come with an unlimited magazine. However, for the amount of shooting he did, Vincent would still have had to carry a ton of magazines to get him through the night. Maybe that's the difference between a hitman and your everyday CCW carrier. I know I don't want to carry a gun and 6 magazines all day.
 
"I don't want to carry a gun and 6 magazines all day."


You aren't a assasin being paid obscene amounts of money.:D
 
A lot of good ones already mentioned.

I liked 4 Brothers. No crazy long range shots with a snubby or people getting
hit a hundred times and still running around.

The only problem I had with it was the younger brother getting hit with a
.50 AE to the chest then a few more rounds to the back from somthing else
and still living as long as he did. Other than that there was a lot of misses
which I thought seemed real to life, these guys were not trained shooters.

Reservoir Dogs was pretty good to. I'd hate to get gut shot.
 
The Patriot

The Patriot, with Mel Gibson... I thought the entire movie was very well done. Even though most of the characters were fictional, some resemble real life people of that era... It sure could have happened that way... I enjoyed it!
 
akodo: Man, way too many assumptions. IMO Way of the Gun is one of the best gun movies ever made. I mean, sure theres all the old classics, but I'd rather see a clear picture then grainy black and white any day of the week... and twice on sunday.

I think people have an automatic assumption about guns in movies. I think lots of pro-gunners automatically assume any gunplay in a hollywood movie is gonna be complete B.S.. We also have the tendancy to point out every little akward detail. Well guess what? Real-life gun play is often 'akward' and things don't always go the way you'd expect.

For example: The 'got the wind knocked out of me' scene played by Tom Seizmore. How many times do you think a soldier with adrenaline pumping through his viens and been able to stand up straight after getting shot one, two, three (or more) times? Probably more then you and I would think.

Another example: "the old schoolers should have been smart enough to get some serious hardware" Come on now... I'd like to hear from someone who doesn't know at least one stubborn old fart who thinks he can take on the world with his revolver.

Just my observations.
-Dev
 
Blackhawk Down and Saving Private Ryan are two of the best, no question. Accurate to the last detail.

I hate it in movies when the main character keeps firing when his slide is locked back, or when an MP-5 fires 1200 rounds and never once be reloaded.
 
Ride With the Devil

Civil War era flick, pretty underrated I think. The shootout between the Yank's and the Bushwackers in the farmhouse near the beginning is a Western Style "Heat".
 
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"IMO Way of the Gun is one of the best gun movies ever made."

I have to disagree, the first 5-10 minutes of this movie was so filled with senseless profanity, I almost shut it off and tried to get a refund for this rental. I'll admit, though, that the final gunfight was pretty good.
 
30-06 lover
Heat is just crazy, Collateral is more realistic.
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+1 for Heat.

30-06 Lover. Heat had Andy McNab as the fire arms technical director.
Andy was British SAS, who has "been there - done that" so to speak.
In no way would I say heat is not or less "realistic."
 
I liked Last Man Standing. Got to see some really nice guns. Yes, I did find myself thinking "aren't those 7 round mags in those 1911s?" But occasionally they'd show Bruce ejecting and inserting mags. In one scene they even showed him loading all of his mags.

No honorable mention for Bonnie & Clyde?
 
It was almost suprising to see people felled with one or two shots, not still running around with numerous fatal wounds.
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Actually, what more often irks me is seeing 3 or 4 guys take one or two rounds each and just fall down dead without making a peep or moving a muscle.

Real life is a lot scarier and messier than that, especially when only handguns are involved.
 
You nailed it, middy!

I have spent the last 30 years working in ER and ICU as a Trauma Nurse. Believe me, most GSW victims DO live and come to the ER. They scream, they cry, they pray and ask for Mama. And they could have continued to return fire if they wanted to! Long term survival may be down to 70% or so, but most of the GSW patients I cared for survived.

In the real world, single shot kills are usually self inflicted to the head or heart.

Worked as a reserve deputy in a rural county some years ago, I saw a man shot SIX times with a .357 magnum ( his own gun, wielded by his wife ! ). He is alive to this day ( minus a spleen and part of a lung ).

I have also seen a man killed with a single .22 LR wound to the chest. There is no telling what will happen when someone is shot, but most movies are TERRIBLE in their depictions of GSW's!

:mad:
 
It's been some time since I've seen the movie too. Now that I think about it, there may have been two "club" scenes. In the first, Vincent made Jamie Foxx's character (Max) impersonate himself as a ruse to get into the club to retrieve a fresh copy of the list that had been thrown over the freeway overpass. When they got to the second club, Vincent went in to kill the oriental gangster. At some point, Max goes into the club too. Tons of shooting (including MP5s, IIRC) as the music is blaring, people are screaming and running--and apparantly Vincent, the gangsters, and the cops (including the Fed's) know exactly who their opponents are at all times. The one loner cop who had figured that all these professional-looking murders in one night are somehow connected and then projected that forward to who the next guy to be killed is, ends up getting shot by Vincent as he tries to get Max out of the club. Max ends up back in the cab with Vincent. This one shooting scene included far too much confusion for me to believe that even the most professional and proficient shooter could pull off accurate and efficient (by that I mean--few bystanders were shot) shots.
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From what I remember, that scene was relatively realistic. Vincent made Max go into the club first, as bait, then followed. He knew from pictures what his target (don't remember his name) looked like, and the guy was fairly distinct looking. The FBI knew what Max looked like from surveilance videos, only they thought he was Vincent. Plus he was the only black guy there. It's not that hard to spot a black guy in a sea of Koreans. Then the target's bodyguards saw the FBI pulling out guns. None of them spoke English, so they assumed the cops were actually assassins. And then everyone started shooting at everyone with a gun, who they didn't recognize.
 
+1 on "The Outlaw Josey Wales" and "Last Man Standing".

The Outlaw Josey Wales
Josey Wales - "You a bounty hunter son?"
Bounty Hunter - "It's a living..."
Josey Wales - "Dyin' ain't much of a livin' boy."

Last Man Standing
Irish mobster - "What are you going to do, shoot me?"
Bruce Willis - "It'll hurt if I do..."

The last 15-20 minutes of "Thief" with James Caan.
 
I have yet to see a movie with realistic gun scenes in it, at least a movie where guns play a central role in the film.

For once-- just once-- I would like to see an action or crime drama scene where some shots are exchanged, and one of the gun handlers says, in response to his friend, "Huh, I can't hear you, my ears are ringing."
 
"For once-- just once-- I would like to see an action or crime drama scene where some shots are exchanged, and one of the gun handlers says, in response to his friend, "Huh, I can't hear you, my ears are ringing.""

In Freebie and the Bean, James Caan and Alan Arkin don hearing protection before gunning down the hitman "Michigan Phil" in the bowling alley men's room. It was on the Speed Channel last year.
 
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