Really tired of the left wing media.

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My opinion is, don't fall for their crap. This product is just like any weapon and can be used for good.

It's out there. Anyone with mechanical skills, open source ballistics code and a Raspberry Pi can make one. Why infringe?
 
Did anyone else see the little bit on Snapchat this morning about “anyone being able to become a 1000 yard sniper now” “just walk into a store and buy it” talking about tracking point.
It’s really frustrating that they run an article directed at young people convincing them that you can walk into a store and buy a device that makes you a master sniper. While that’s partially true they fail to mention that you could hire 10 hit men for the price of one.
Nope, I didn't. But isn't it too different to those PC marketing campaigns saying that just buying the computer was enough? Apparently no knowledgement was required.
 
I just watched the video. It's almost comical. The $17,000 price tag is definitely comical.
Most folks with that much disposable income either:
A-Are going to find something a lot more fun to spend it on, OR
B-Aren't going to spend that much money on such an insanely
expensive system so they can risk losing it,
and their freedom and gun rights for life, on a shooting spree.
 
I know and I appreciate the NRA and other conservative and pro gun organizations and their fights in Washington to secure our rights. But we need to take a lesson from liberals, and sleazy folks in general (have u seen the smut on social media?)
Go for the youth and young people! Washington is a temporary win, win the hearts of the young and you win long term and without lawyers.
I like that we have won the last few years in Washington, but we have had the house senate and president and we’re still barely winning. Only because of the demands of the republican base do we even have those small wins. I assure you the left has won a lot bigger the last few years in the 12-30 age range. They are winning people who can’t vote yet and in a few years we will wish we had fought that battle.

Listen in on a group of women talk in rural Texas and it will scare the devil out of you.

Sitting back and letting the big interest groups work for your rights doesn’t work. Talk to some farmers and see where that got them. We fight that daily since most of the public believes were trying to kill them so Monsanto can get rich (in case you didn’t know the NRA has a similar “reputation” among Non firearm people)

Don’t keep to yourself. Straighten up those around you. We need to find a way to take over some social media. The next generation depends on it.
Preach on young man, preach on, I like it, but that narrative is the same today as it was 20 years ago. Keep the passion, the fight will never end. :)
 
I frequent this forum and find it quite well mannered, unlike many others from which I have bailed never to return. Social media FB, Instagram, Twitter etc are colossal wastes of time and do more to harm communication than to foster it. I have nothing but disdain for some of what technology has wrought on our people, mostly the youth and future leaders.
 
Im not even 40, I could fire back at that one but I won’t for now.
Yup my point exactly. While we’re on here and at the range calling BS. The NRA is mailing every bubba for a donation. The left wing anti gun crowd targets your wife and children. And we wonder why we are loosing this battle.
My wife and I have both been NRA members longer than you've been alive Sam.
What's a "bubba?" Is a "bubba" someone who hunts? Or is a "bubba" someone who isn't a paying member at some kind of formal shooting range?
If either, or both things qualify as "bubba," my wife and I are both "bubbas." For that matter, so are both our daughters and our four grandsons. We all hunt, and our "shooting range" is a county gravel pit about 2 miles south of my wife's and my house. My wife and I both carry too, as does one of our daughters.
But yeah, you're right - the NRA does mail us asking for donations. A little more often than we care for as a matter of fact. But we're not about to drop out because of that, let alone drop out because someone thinks NRA members are "bubbas."
By the way, I'm tired of the leftist media too. I think it's gotten worse, but I was tired of it before you were born.
 
Here’s the thing about the truth. It always comes out. It can only be hidden for so long. Why? Because it exists. It is an account of something that actually occurred. It can be backed with evidence. You cannot do that effectively with fallacies. That’s why they play on emotions. Emotions don’t need facts. But as these people age, if we do our part in teaching and guiding these young minds, we will prevail.
 
Guys I know it came across that way to some of you, but I don’t think the OP meant “bubba” to be derogatory towards us. Poor choice of words I agree. Maybe he will go back and edit that word from his post (hint, hint OP).
 
I cannot imagine being a pundant for any specific perspective and waking up every morning knowing that I lie for a living (all perspectives embellish the truth). Like everything humans believe in life, the truth is always somewhere in the middle; no one can be absolutely right and no perspective is absolutely correct. I also think that paid pundants say what they are paid to say and not necessarily what they believe - they are simply earning a living. The biggest sin in life is lying to yourself. Good shooting.

Nope, I call a logical fallacy on the play.

The logical fallacy of middle ground is not always correct just as always assuming one thing or the other must be true. Example, whether the sun exists--middle ground would have it exists sometimes and sometimes not which is not true. "Truth" ain't always found in the middle ground.

Some things really are binary--either correct or not. Others are not which is the logical fallacy of black and white.
 
Here’s the thing about the truth. It always comes out. It can only be hidden for so long. Why? Because it exists. It is an account of something that actually occurred. It can be backed with evidence. You cannot do that effectively with fallacies. That’s why they play on emotions. Emotions don’t need facts. But as these people age, if we do our part in teaching and guiding these young minds, we will prevail.

BigBore44.
Only about 10-15 (last I checked) percent of people actually have what are called ideological positions with logical arguments for what they believe. These are the people that actually engage in dialectical conversations trying to reach the "truth" The other 80 percent or so are mostly affected and think via rhetoric on public policy issues. Note the claim (good rhetoric) that everyone is most conservative on what they know best.

The best rhetoric usually has a grain of truth to it that cannot be immediately dismissed but that is the hook to lure you in by a skilled persuader--they start with an unobjectionable point and lead you step by step to where they want you to go. A good rhetorician or a group using good rhetoric can easily cause people with no firm groundings to change their mind. Someone who is grounded in what they believe and why is much more difficult to persuade.

For THR and other forum participants--substantial listing and understanding of common logical fallacies that you will come across on the web via forum postings. Use for good and not for evil.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
 

Thanks for the link While that don't use the formal names for the fallacies they list, it is a very approachable poster. I think I will order one for my classroom. I have one that I printed; however, the colours didn't align and the text is a little blurry. Theirs looks good. $30 is a bit on the high side for a classroom poster; but it is not too far out.
 
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I like that we have won the last few years in Washington, but we have had the house senate and president and we’re still barely winning. Only because of the demands of the republican base do we even have those small wins. I assure you the left has won a lot bigger the last few years in the 12-30 age range. They are winning people who can’t vote yet and in a few years we will wish we had fought that battle.

How many of us contact our senators and reps and tell em what we want?? my self included. We have a couple lefty (D)s here but write em and ask. Make em answer, in writing. Post their answers on club boards. This is esp a great opportunity after the statenof the union and them setting on their a55s. Ask em what do they stand for and support. Now we know what they dont support.

Get involved w/ a local club. Clubs around here tend to be shotgun clubs. Get them (shotgunners) to support Nat Reciprocity for example. They usually dont worry unless it comes after their 1187s.
 
The best thing you can do is stop giving them ratings. I've pulled myself away from the T.V. even though I check it every now and then for some "motivation".
The only thing the media is designed to do now is make you angry on purpose so you do something dumb (like go on a shooting spree so they can continue their narrative of taking away our firearms) or disseminate government or corporate propaganda (aka lies).

They have no real news stories and are little more than tabloid gossip filled with women who chit chat and like to think they are pretty and old guys who only care about more cocaine for themselves and more fake money (debt notes) from the fraudulent and illegitimate stock market. T.V. as an invention has met its useful lifespan and is now expiring! :)

You'll get more news from calling a friend or family member in another state and asking what is going on locally than you ever will from the fake news now.
 
In reference to the title of this thread, I think we need to make a distinction between "left wing media" and "antigun media." The Left is not universally antigun, although, admittedly, there is an overlap. Think of this as a Venn diagram with overlapping circles.

By conflating "left wing" (liberals) and antigunners, we alienate those remaining pro-gun liberals. As besieged as gun owners are, we need all the allies we can get. Remember that the biggest antigunner of all, Michael Bloomberg, is a plutocrat and economic conservative. It would be entirely incorrect to call him a "left winger."
 
Hmmm...
For $17,000 I could:
buy/build a bolt action rifle capable of shooting 1000+ yards
join a gym, hire a trainer and nutritionist to get my fat ass in shape
take the needed courses to learn how to shoot long distance properly, and consistently
have enough left over for plane tickets to a non-extradition country. :D
 
Oh My ! I own a computer. That must make me a hacker.;)

Nudge, Nudge, Wink , Wink say no more!
 
In reference to the title of this thread, I think we need to make a distinction between "left wing media" and "antigun media." The Left is not universally antigun, although, admittedly, there is an overlap. Think of this as a Venn diagram with overlapping circles.

By conflating "left wing" (liberals) and antigunners, we alienate those remaining pro-gun liberals. As besieged as gun owners are, we need all the allies we can get. Remember that the biggest antigunner of all, Michael Bloomberg, is a plutocrat and economic conservative. It would be entirely incorrect to call him a "left winger."

True, definitely no intention of going that direction.
This is why I don't use those terms and would much rather, as you have, use terms that refer more to their beliefs and not their "alignment" because honestly, if you ask me, Democrat or republican? Two sides of the same crooked coin and all of the labels they make up to try to divide people are not what people should choose to align with, defend, nor uphold. The government loves that we fight over who is liberal and who is not while they continue to rob and poison all of us.

Inevitably, what really matters is there are two types of people in this world: One who believes more government having more control of their life is a good thing and those who do not! One believes that the government should have the guns to protect you, the other does not! All of those labels are just more ways the government tries to divide and conquer. Don't allow yourself to be trapped by their artificial and arbitrary labels that don't actually mean anything in the real world. Think about it out side of politics? What would a "Liberal" be in the real world? Dead, because the only thing that matters in the real world is Survival and society protects those who would normally be 'Naturally Selected' and thus there are tons of weak and few strong! That is what someone who allows themselves to be portrayed as some label is, someone who is controlled and manipulated by the government or corporations to do their bidding and refusing to be their own authentic individual and thus, as a result, weak. Weak enough to be influenced by those who lie, poison and murder, not only them, but all life on the Planet Earth!

We can all agree though, regardless of sides/political affiliation, the news sucks now! No real stories, same story on every channel, all meaningless and not real news. They don't talk about any real news stories and are only allowed to talk about what their advertisers pay them to talk about, so: Poisoned pills, insurance, cars, murders, sex and other meaningless topics that have no baring on reality but are instead a self absorbed reflection of this dead and broken, corrupt society that is crumbling before our eyes while everyone cheers on a meaningless football team that doesn't help any one and actually takes food out of the mouths of people just so ONE PERSON can make a million dollars running around on an empty field that also does nothing for the world. Just one big failed meaningless wasteful society of criminals and degenerations, super sad, isn't it? (I mean degenerates but degenerations actually sounds better...because it implies what is true: That this society has degenerated the entire world and is comprised of things that cause degeneration, not merely full of 'degenerates' which is more of a personal insult and one that I do not intend)
 
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Really tired of the left wing media.

Well, Snapchat isn't "media" in the sense that "left wing media" is used since it is a message board without an explicit editorial leaning.

What I hear you saying is that you're tired of hearing opinions that don't agree with your own. Unfortunately, as long as there's a First Amendment, there's not much you're going to be able to do about it.
 
Inevitably, what really matters is there are two types of people in this world: One who believes more government having more control of their life is a good thing and those who do not!
It's much more complicated than that. Given their druthers, most people would pick and choose from a whole menu of policy positions, and the gun issue is just one of the items on the menu. (To those on this board, it might be the most important item on the menu.) Someone might want more gun freedom, but might also want Single Payer health insurance. Does that make him liberal or conservative?

The increasing problem in recent years is that polarization has forced people to choose sides. Once you have picked a side, you are shoehorned into accepting the entire agenda of that side, whether you (as an individual) would agree with every item, or not. This is tribalism. As an activist gun owner, I don't want to also (because of that status) be assumed to support Supply Side economics or climate-change denial.

The NRA, under Wayne LaPierre, has made the serious mistake of getting in bed with the Republican party, and specifically with the Trump wing of that party. I remember when the NRA would support politicians of either party who were strong on gun rights. That way it had clout no matter which party was in the ascendancy. Now, if the winds shift it will be completely out in the cold.
 
Well, Snapchat isn't "media" in the sense that "left wing media" is used since it is a message board without an explicit editorial leaning.

What I hear you saying is that you're tired of hearing opinions that don't agree with your own. Unfortunately, as long as there's a First Amendment, there's not much you're going to be able to do about it.
They have publishers that run news Articles daily. Many of them are common news sources.
The Washington post and New York Times among them.
I’m not speaking about my friends, they don’t post anti gun stuff. Mostly hunting pics and baby pictures.

Where’s the NRA writing their column? Maybe the blaze? Fox? Small conservative bloggers?
All the good guys are missing this huge market. There is no diversity in the media the average person sees.
I read one the other day that grabbed my attention about the death tax. It gave a descent argument of why you should support it. It was well written and had a poll at the beginning and the end to gauge success. Why aren’t conservative sources grabbing liberal kids attention and giving them a gentle argument to convert them? Oh that’s right we’re just talking to people who agree with us.
 
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