Rear sights on eastern bloc rifles

[American_Fusilier]

Hello everyone,

So I've had a Mosin Nagant m91/30 for a while, and I have an AK that I picked up a few years back, and I just got an SKS.

I love all three of em'... However, I really don't care for the rear sight on any of them for two main reasons:

1. They are hard to see. Even though I have 20/20 vision, these rear sights are always difficult to see in my peripheral vision.
2. The "bdc" on the rear leaves are always in metric. Yuk.

Seeing as literally every range I've ever been to in my entire life is in yards, this sucks. Also, math is hard.

My question is this: does anybody know off any after market rear sight leaves spaced out in yards instead of meters? If not, why isn't someone doing that and making tons of money... Well maybe not tons, but...

I know you can get the Krebs simplistic sight that has a bigger U notch and only goes up to 300 meters, and I know there are some that are peep sights. I also know there are Tech sights.

Do you guys know of any other solutions? Please let me know!

 

[mustanger98]

Well, I know that 300m is 327yds and the difference is less the closer in you get.

1- How far are you trying to shoot?
2- What's the difference between POA and POI at those distances? A tad high?

I'm wondering, within 327yds, how necessary is the conversion? It can be real easy to overthink it.

 

[American_Fusilier]

I know that a certain number of yards is approximately 10% more than meters. 100m = 109y, I can do that math close in.

I don't expect to be shooting farther than that with my AK. But I'd like to with my Mosin and/or SKS.

Everything is in yards around here, everything.

I really wish they made a rear leaf sight graduated in 50 yard increments say to like 500 yards on the AK/SKS. And maybe the same out to 800 years or so for the Mosin.

 

[DocRock]

For the purposes of shooting Combloc milsurp with iron sights, Meters are always 10% more than Yards.

This is why we won the Cold War.

 

[mshootnit]

There used to be a Krebs ghost ring rear sight.
I just set mine( regular rear sight) on 2 and zero at 200 meters. Good enough to get someones attention if you needed to.

 

[entropy]

and I know there are some that are peep sights.

The Mojo sight. I shot my 91/30's (and a K98) with the issue sights, out to a measured 965 yards (lasered) and they are useable. I had them set at 1000 meters. I have no problem with using meters or yards, that good Army training made sure of that.

I just set mine on 2 and zero at 200 meters. Good enough to get someones attention if you needed to.

The standard sighting method with Mosins was set the sight to 300 meters and aim for the belt buckle. As mshootnit says, good enough for government work.

 

[army_eod]

Check GGG

Still in meters.

 

[American_Fusilier]

For the purposes of shooting Combloc milsurp with iron sights, Meters are always 10% more than Yards.

This is why we won the Cold War.

Well we did win the Cold War, but not with that math! You have it backwards, yards are always 10% more than meters.

Check GGG

Still in meters

Yeah, I've seen those, and a peep sight would be much preferable to the notch sight. But I just hate working in meters. Like I said before, I know the conversion math. But I can only judge distance in yards, and all the ranges around me are in yards.

I also understand the Soviet doctrine of a 300m zero for the Mosin and a 25m zero for the AK, and aim for the belt buckle. But that isn't going to.help me if I want to go hunting with my Mosin or SKS.

 

[army_eod]

I can work with meters or yards. Just practice.

 

[12Bravo20]

A rough conversion is: 100m=110yd, 200m=220yd, 300m=330y, 400m=440yd

Actual conversion is: 100m=109.3yd, 200m=218.7yd, 300m=328.1yd, 400m=437.4yd

 

[d2wing]

I was taught to use meters in the army, Not a big deal to me. I very much doubt it will ever be an issue with any of those weapons or that type sights. Not with my M44 anyway.

 

[American_Fusilier]

The Mojo sight

Have you used the Mojo sight? I looked it up l, and it looks like exactly what I was hoping for.

Plus, they've got one for all three of my rifles.

Has anyone else used the Mojo sight?

 

[DocRock]

Well we did win the Cold War, but not with that math! You have it backwards, yards are always 10% more than meters .

Sorry, comrade, there is no sarcasm emoji. You just have to guess from context. ;-)

 

[JDGray]

A 1X prism scope fixes that for me, zero at 50, use the calibrated marks out to 400 I believe.


3X if you have an accurate enough rifle. lol!

 

[entropy]

I tried one a friend had; it is a workable solution for your predicament. I personally didn't like having the peep that far forward.

 

[illinoisburt]

I also understand the Soviet doctrine of a 300m zero for the Mosin and a 25m zero for the AK, and aim for the belt buckle. But that isn't going to.help me if I want to go hunting with my Mosin or SKS.

Have you actually tried shooting at extended range with hunting ammo to see where the sights line up? I suspect they wouldn't align correctly even it the graduations were in yards. Plus there aren't too many people using a metallic sighted 91/30, SKS or AK for precision long range hunting so the lack of a cheap aftermarket solution shouldn't be that surprising.

 

[mustanger98]

I also understand the Soviet doctrine of a 300m zero for the Mosin and a 25m zero for the AK, and aim for the belt buckle. But that isn't going to.help me if I want to go hunting with my Mosin or SKS.

Right, those being combat zeros with higher midrange trajectories. A 50/200yd zero, with the midrange trajectory +2-3" is much handier to hunt with.

 

[American_Fusilier]

A 1X prism scope fixes that for me, zero at 50, use the calibrated marks out to 400 I believe.

3X if you have an accurate enough rifle. lol!
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Nice piece! Looks like a VZ58...

Have you actually tried shooting at extended range with hunting ammo to see where the sights line up? I suspect they wouldn't align correctly even it the graduations were in yards. Plus there aren't too many people using a metallic sighted 91/30, SKS or AK for precision long range hunting so the lack of a cheap aftermarket solution shouldn't be that surprising.

Well rain on my parade why don't you! I am not seriously considering using any of my Com-Bloc rifles for any "precision long range" anything. I've got rifles specifically for that. But I would like a better sighting system for those rifles, particularly with the Mosin and SKS. I'm going to throw a red dot on my AK, just as soon as they approve my loan to buy an RS Regulate mount. The Mosin specifically needs a better sighting system for sure.

I'll tell you what, those bloody commies made some damn good firearms, but they sure did fall short on their iron sights.

 

[JDGray]

I tried the Khyber Customs peep on my PAP M92, it was way better then the pistol rear sight, but still not as nice as the Tech peep sight on my Mini 14. They do make rear mounted peeps, like you said, and would probably be the best iron sight. I like my scopes for distances over 100 yards...

 

[mjsdwash]

I though the Mosins were in yards? At least up until the revolution. Not sure about the others. Maybe not, looks like 3/4 yard.

 

[Jim Watson]

I have to admire anybody who can judge range within 9% in the first place.

Very old MN sights are graduated in arshin of 28 English inches.

 

[entropy]

I though the Mosins were in yards? At least up until the revolution. Not sure about the others. Maybe not, looks like 3/4 yard.

The unit of measure pre-Revolution (actually up until 1925) was the arshin, which equaled 28 inches.

 

[entropy]

Jim beat me to it.

 

[Dibbs]

Well, if that's the worst you're doing with Combloc sights, be glad. Just wait till you get a rear sight that's locked ,
all the way to the left. Was the last user shooting in a windstorm?

 

[American_Fusilier]

It's one thing the western counties got right, sights. I know the com-bloc ones are adequate, but they still suck.