Ironman
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The $200 goes to the Treasury, not the ATF. They don't see a dime.
Recent NFA check delays increasing?
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Lennyjoe
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Sent my paperwork in for a suppressor 15 May. Went pending 23 July and the lady on the other end said 9 months............
I hope she was joking....
I hope she was joking....GCMkc
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I was talking to a guy who said he had been waiting 8 months and he expected it to be a years' wait.
Revenue collection remains under Treasury, enforcement is now under Justice since Homeland Security was created.
I currently have three Forms 1 and 4 pending, the longest since March 2013. I expect well into next year...
zignal_zero
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You guys do know that the "shutdown" put the pause on ALL form4's and 1's, right?
The day after the shutdown, the first thing I did was call the NFA branch of the BATFE and was told they are not processing ANY forms until after the furlough is lifted.
So....... the "9 months" (which is what I was told and they've always been accurate with their estimates) isn't even passing by right now. Add how ever long the shutdown lasts TO your 9 months.
Oh yea and as far as them NOT having a copy of the 4473. You would be VERY surprised how much info the BATFE has on the transfer of title 1 (regular) guns that are sold through a FFL. I know I was
The day after the shutdown, the first thing I did was call the NFA branch of the BATFE and was told they are not processing ANY forms until after the furlough is lifted.
So....... the "9 months" (which is what I was told and they've always been accurate with their estimates) isn't even passing by right now. Add how ever long the shutdown lasts TO your 9 months.
Oh yea and as far as them NOT having a copy of the 4473. You would be VERY surprised how much info the BATFE has on the transfer of title 1 (regular) guns that are sold through a FFL. I know I was
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Lennyjoe
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Just called and checked up on mine. Sent in 23 May 2013, pending 23 July 2013 and she (Vicky) just said 15 months from receipt of paperwork. I think I'm going to be sick.............
On 25 August I was told 9 months.....
On 25 August I was told 9 months.....
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People over at subguns.com are also saying the script says 15 months. This is going to seriously lower demand and hurt dealers and manufactures. I expect many will go out of business.
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So I pulled the October and September approvals from NFATracker.com and am seeing 12-14 weeks from 2nd pending to stamp received.
Specifically for October approvals, the mean is 83 days with a standard deviation of 13. My examiner is averaging 73 days with a standard deviation of 6 days.
Adding in 17 days of furlough, I'm looking at 90 days from my second pending date on 9/10 plus or minus 1 week (would be 100 days for the average examiner). I think I am looking at the 2nd week in December if my examiner's average holds, 3rd or 4th week in December if the overall average holds. If the average goes up (I got off the fence due to Dorner) I am seriously looking at some time next year.
Now between approval and getting your stamp, the average is another 7 +/- 9 days! Even worse the average of the last 2 weeks has been 21 days! This if for forms that were mailed before the furlough!
I am pissed off but feel worse for the dealers and manufacturers.
Mike
Specifically for October approvals, the mean is 83 days with a standard deviation of 13. My examiner is averaging 73 days with a standard deviation of 6 days.
Adding in 17 days of furlough, I'm looking at 90 days from my second pending date on 9/10 plus or minus 1 week (would be 100 days for the average examiner). I think I am looking at the 2nd week in December if my examiner's average holds, 3rd or 4th week in December if the overall average holds. If the average goes up (I got off the fence due to Dorner) I am seriously looking at some time next year.
Now between approval and getting your stamp, the average is another 7 +/- 9 days! Even worse the average of the last 2 weeks has been 21 days! This if for forms that were mailed before the furlough!
I am pissed off but feel worse for the dealers and manufacturers.
Mike
martymcfly
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damn! up to 15 months now? Maybe I should call and see when my first form 4 is expected, was Feb (which would be about 9 months) when I called back in Aug. Wonder if it's been pushed back.
But worse hearing the 15 months is I have an Octane which hasn't gone pending yet (check cashed in mid sept) and just today I order two new suppressors from Silencershop. They submitted the form 3s and the automated email said those are taking 3-6 weeks, then I get to start the 15 month wait. Ug, and 18 month process would be ridiculous! Heck, it was ridiculous at 6 months.
But worse hearing the 15 months is I have an Octane which hasn't gone pending yet (check cashed in mid sept) and just today I order two new suppressors from Silencershop. They submitted the form 3s and the automated email said those are taking 3-6 weeks, then I get to start the 15 month wait. Ug, and 18 month process would be ridiculous! Heck, it was ridiculous at 6 months.
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I'm wondering what happens if a dealer dies or retires (esp. if waits hurt sales) with pending transfers?
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Bubbles
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Dealers who decide to retire or shut down usually stop accepting NFA transfers about a year in advance so their Title II books are clear. If one dies or loses his FFL/SOT for other reasons the ATF can bring in another local FFL/SOT to help complete the transfers.
MasterSergeantA
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Projected wait times appear to be approaching 12-15 months, based on a call to ATF.
Elkins45
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Jeez, I really hope that number only applies to applications being mailed now, not ones already in the pipeline. I have a Form 4 that the check was cashed in April I'm waiting on. Unfortunately the dealer checked no on the info box so I can't call and see when it went pending.
zignal_zero
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Nope, that wait time applies to the forms that have been sitting in a box there for the last four months too. How do I know, you may wonder. When the (so called) government did it's little "reopen" (of course) I called the NFA branch and asked "are y'all back to processing 1's an 4's?" Linda said YES, but now my 9 month wait time will be more like 15 months. Then I asked if they were gonna stop again in February due to this being a temp fix. She basically said we will see in February but did not have a reassuring tone. Please don't hate on the examiners (not that y'all do) because this is NOT their doing and has made their job both harder and less stable. They don't like this anymore than we do.
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I don't know about 20 years ago, but when I applied for my first 2 stamps right after Obama won his first election in November 2007 I had my stamps back in 61 days.
Bubbles
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My first took 10 months, back when Clinton was president.
Telekinesis
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I've heard of as little as 4 weeks, though in all fairness that was quite a few years ago.
The time it takes for forms to be approved is related to how many backlogged forms the NFA branch has received before yours, so when thinking about how long it took for a stamp to be approved, you really have to look at the date the form was approved as well.
For me, my first stamp (received early 2013) took about 5 and a half months. My next two received a few months later took just a hair over 6 months. My next stamp (the can just arrived on a form 3) will likely take every bit of 15 months, which really kills me because I've already waited 4 months on the form 3. That means in all I'll be waiting 19 months to get the can!
This will very likely be the last NFA weapon I buy unless I either get an incredible deal on a machine gun or I decide to bite the bullet so to speak and get my SOT.
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I called today for the first time on 3 cans and was told 15 months from the receive date. My receive dates were 6/12, 6/12, and 6/12. One was in dealer stock on 6/4, the other two were ordered on 2/8. None were even fist pending yet after almost 4.5 months!
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medalguy
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I went back to some transfers I had in 1974 and the time from the other FFL dating the Form 1 and mailing it in to approval by ATF to me (I was SOT back then) was 26 days. Can you imagine that???
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All I know is that Iran is going to have a nuke before I have my supressors.
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AlexanderA
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The 15-month delays, plus the change requiring CLEO signatures for trusts, are absolutely going to kill this market. I just don't see people tying up $20,000+ for a machine gun under those conditions. And suppressors and SBR's aren't going to be commercially viable.
Lessened demand is going to mean lessened prices. Simple laws of economics.
On the other hand, prices of semiautomatic clones of machine guns (such as OOW's M1918A3 BAR) are going to go up. Even non-firing guns built on 80% receivers are going to go up.
And, ultimately, there's going to be an uptick in illegal guns. After all, the NFA, as administered until recently, was a sort of legal safety valve for people wanting these items. If that door is shut, well..... we have Prohibition as an example.
I have no doubt that the delays and the other changes in the way NFA rules work reflect antigun Administration policy. They're targeting what they perceive to be the "low hanging fruit" of the gun world. But in the long run this shows poor judgement.
Lessened demand is going to mean lessened prices. Simple laws of economics.
On the other hand, prices of semiautomatic clones of machine guns (such as OOW's M1918A3 BAR) are going to go up. Even non-firing guns built on 80% receivers are going to go up.
And, ultimately, there's going to be an uptick in illegal guns. After all, the NFA, as administered until recently, was a sort of legal safety valve for people wanting these items. If that door is shut, well..... we have Prohibition as an example.
I have no doubt that the delays and the other changes in the way NFA rules work reflect antigun Administration policy. They're targeting what they perceive to be the "low hanging fruit" of the gun world. But in the long run this shows poor judgement.
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