Im looking for something versatile. i want to use it for closer ranges(under 150 yards) on no animal bigger than 150 ponds. also would like it for plinking. and not a shotgun, i already have one. im thnking a bout a hipoint carbine or a h and r single shot
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Sounds like a perfect application for a pistol cartridge carbine.
H&R's have been out of production for 2 years now so most of the new stock is gone. Solid and simple rifle but a bit slow to reload for plinking. (I have 2 at the moment: .357 mag and 44 mag)
CVA makes the Scout centerfire single shots in your price range.
H&R's have been out of production for 2 years now so most of the new stock is gone. Solid and simple rifle but a bit slow to reload for plinking. (I have 2 at the moment: .357 mag and 44 mag)
CVA makes the Scout centerfire single shots in your price range.
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I agree. For your stated purpose, a Rossi M92 in .357 would be great. If you reload, making up .38's would be really cheap. Just reload them to .357 OAL for good feeding.Sounds like a perfect application for a pistol cartridge carbine.
H&R's have been out of production for 2 years now so most of the new stock is gone. Solid and simple rifle but a bit slow to reload for plinking. (I have 2 at the moment: .357 mag and 44 mag)
CVA makes the Scout centerfire single shots in your price range.
MachIVshooter
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Unless you have a caliber restriction for your hunting purposes, I'd say pass on the pistol caliber carbines and consider something like this:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...937/Savage+19228+AXIS+XP+223+PACKAGE?sort=low
.223 is cheap to plink with, and plenty for medium game at the ranges you specify.
Plenty of larger caliber options in similar budget rifles, too, although ammo cost will go up sharply.
Or you could up your budget $100 and build an AR.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...937/Savage+19228+AXIS+XP+223+PACKAGE?sort=low
.223 is cheap to plink with, and plenty for medium game at the ranges you specify.
Plenty of larger caliber options in similar budget rifles, too, although ammo cost will go up sharply.
Or you could up your budget $100 and build an AR.
Id also suggest a budget bolt gun, bud id opt for a heavier cal. Within the limitations you specified a PCC or the .223 is plenty, if your a good shot.
Id go to a larger round .243-308, to increase your margin of error and options on shot presentation/distance.
Id go to a larger round .243-308, to increase your margin of error and options on shot presentation/distance.
Acera
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Black Friday sales are pending. Most of the major sporting retailers have them posted online already. Check the ads, lots of guns and stuff will be on sale in a few weeks.
Bolt guns will be well represented.
You will be able to get into an factory AR for $450. The S&W AR will be under 600 as a kit with a case and magazine loader from a couple of sellers. Might be worth it to stretch your budget.
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Bolt guns will be well represented.
You will be able to get into an factory AR for $450. The S&W AR will be under 600 as a kit with a case and magazine loader from a couple of sellers. Might be worth it to stretch your budget.
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Sheepdog1968
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I'd imagine the Ruger American rifle or Mossberg patriot would fit your bill. In fact, both of these can be had from the factory with a scope.
MachIVshooter
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In that case, it might help if you tell us what you already have, as well as if there are rifles you definitely don't want.
PCCs are fun, but of limited utility beyond plinking, IMO. I only have 3. One is a Marlin 1894 .44 mag, which barely fits that definition with the power .44 mag achieves in a rifle. Second is a Marlin camp .45 which I just like, and the third is a home built 9mm that fills a very specific roll.
If you're set on it, might really consider the above recommendations for the .357 lever action. Lever guns are fun, .38 is pretty reasonable to plink with, and you can load or by boutique .357 ammo that makes for a pretty serious short range hunting number in a rifle. A 180 gr. JHP or JSP with slow powders from a 16"-20" tube is plenty for deer and pigs.
If a range of 150m is the actual limit, a pistol caliber carbine isn't sufficient for game at the 150 pound level. The range is too far for those cartridges to carry sufficient power at an ethical level of force to hit game and have a reasonable chance of dropping them or at least not losing them.
I am aware of many hunters who do - or bowhunt - or who use atlatls - the point is where do you draw a limit with the available power from a pistol cartridge? Most handgun hunters limit themselves to 50 - 60 meters. At 150m bullet drop is getting to be a significant issue, too.
As an example those who hunt with the .458 SOCOM in the AR15 say that 150m is their ethical limit - again, bullet drop issues start factoring in quickly.
If whitetail sized game at 150m is the goal, the .30-30 is a much better cartridge for that and there are many lever action guns newly made on the market under $400 which can do the job.
I am aware of many hunters who do - or bowhunt - or who use atlatls - the point is where do you draw a limit with the available power from a pistol cartridge? Most handgun hunters limit themselves to 50 - 60 meters. At 150m bullet drop is getting to be a significant issue, too.
As an example those who hunt with the .458 SOCOM in the AR15 say that 150m is their ethical limit - again, bullet drop issues start factoring in quickly.
If whitetail sized game at 150m is the goal, the .30-30 is a much better cartridge for that and there are many lever action guns newly made on the market under $400 which can do the job.
Arkansas Paul
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Where are you guys finding pistol caliber carbines for under 4 bills?
bannockburn
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Well a Rossi Model 92 in .44 Magnum will run you $468 (one in .357 will be a bit more at $525), while an Armalite Eagle 15-ORC goes for $557. In a bolt gun there's the Ruger Ranch in .223 for $368 and the very economical Rossi Single Shot (also in .223), will set you back around $240. Not finding too much out there in a pistol caliber carbine for under $400.
C.R.
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How about a SKS ? Not too pricy,rugged ,easy to find ammo , sounds like it would do what you want .
aarondhgraham
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I actually own both of the guns you mentioned.
Personally, I would have a problem hitting anything past 75-100 yards with my 9mm Hi-Point,,,
My H&R Handi-Rifle in .357 Magnum is another story altogether.
I don't think I would take a shot at a deer over 100 yards,,,
But if it were chambered in .243 or better,,,
The deer would be meat in my fridge.
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Personally, I would have a problem hitting anything past 75-100 yards with my 9mm Hi-Point,,,
My H&R Handi-Rifle in .357 Magnum is another story altogether.
I don't think I would take a shot at a deer over 100 yards,,,
But if it were chambered in .243 or better,,,
The deer would be meat in my fridge.
Aarond
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CraigC
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Where do you guys come up with this stuff??? If a handgun hunter limits himself to 50-60yds, it's due to his ability, not the capability of the cartridge. For magnum revolvers starting with the .41Mag and going up to the .500's, 100yds is a reasonable limit. That is about the point where trajectory starts becoming an issue but these guns will cleanly take game much further than that. High pressure cartridges with more velocity, like the .454, .460S&W, .480 and .500S&W can easily go up to 150yds in capable hands. In rifles, revolver cartridges will gain from an average of 300-400fps to a high of 700fps and 150yds is about the practical limit.
In other words, a pistol cartridge levergun is PERFECT for what the OP wants.
Elkins45
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Depends on the cartridge. I wouldn't even consider shooting a deer with any cartridge the Hi-Point is chambered in unless it was a survival situation. A lever gun in 357 (or better in 44) magnum is a different matter.
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But he is talking about pistol caliber carbines, a 200 grain bullet going 2100 fps out of an 18" 44 mag carbine, zeroed 3" high at 100 yards is still +.9@150 yards and has almost 3 times the energy that a 45 ACP has at the muzzle, just shy of 1000ft/lbs.
A 357 max carbine can stay +\- 3" out to 215 yards with a 158g bullet and have more than 900 ft/lbs of energy left.
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