The "rot" to defend ourselves???We believe these right are "God" given and that the rot to defend ourselves is unalienable.
Am I reading this right? There are records on less than 20 million people in the NICS records?I didn't realize it was this bad. That's a lot of people trying to purchase guns who should not have them.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...umber-of-illegal-immigrants-tried-to-buy-guns
Am I reading this right? There are records on less than 20 million people in the NICS records?
Nothing on the other 300 million folks in the US?
That's a lot of people who need to get out more, IMO.If you haven't run afoul of the law you shouldn't show up in a CRIMINAL database.
Think Deep South accent.The "rot" to defend ourselves???
Just kidding Enfielder. That's quite a typo.
It is rational, if there was still much meaning to the concept of high and low crimes (plea bargaining has mostly eroded that away).
What may be more to the point, it was not US law until 1968, only fifty of the nation's two and a half's centuries.
Yeah, they do.I've always suspected that many gang members have their non felon girl friend, sister, grandma etc buy their guns for them.
Only one I knew of was domestic violence.I do believe there are some violent misdemeanors other than domestic that land someone on the prohibited list, but can't remember the details
I already mentioned Massachusetts and mentioned that it was state law.Because that’s Massachusetts State law. The civil rights part is also wrong, for (at least) in Ca you lose second amendment rights for a period of time for numerous misdemeanor crimes: DV, other crimes of violence, restraining order violations and in 2019 even for multiple DUI convictions.
Internet is great to start with. But there are 50 individual sets of statutes that apply in the respective states, so to be sure one must check their states’ laws because a general search will miss stuff.
Stay safe!
Again, that nearly 8 million figure is the gross number of illegal aliens that have been identified as being in the country. According to the cited article, only some 3,300 annually of these have tried to buy firearms and been denied. The nearly 8 million is the database against which the Form 4473 applicants are compared. (And the 8 million figure is probably overstated, because of aliases, duplicate names, etc.)Almost 8 million.
Which means that a person illegally coming from another country circumvents the entire point of NICS--there almost certainly won't be any records in the NICS data base for them even if they are criminals since NICS does not have access to criminal records from their country.The way NICS works is that a denial is generated if there is a positive hit in the database. If there is no hit (no record in the database), the applicant is presumably "clean" and the dealer gets a "proceed."
This is not supposed to be a general discussion of immigration and potential issues it brings up. Illegal aliens voting, just as one example, is off topic as it does not directly relate to illegal aliens purchasing firearms.
I've edited and deleted several posts to try to keep things on track. Which means that a person illegally coming from another country circumvents the entire point of NICS--there almost certainly won't be any records in the NICS data base for them even if they are criminals since NICS does not have access to criminal records from their country.
There are also other issues:
1. They are fugitives from justice which is a disqualifier.
2. They are illegal aliens which is a disqualifier.
3. If they have been deported and returned, they are felons, which is a disqualifier.
4. If they enter any false information onto the 4473, that is a felony, in and of itself.
The number was 3,300 denials of illegal aliens in 2017. (It's right in the article.) The number for 2018 probably isn't out yet.Maybe I missed it, but I wasn't able to zero in on the actual number of illegal aliens trying to purchase a gun in 2018.
Depends on the state. Title 18 or the Colorado Revised Statutes is the "Criminal Code" but you can still get a ticket under a Title 42 (Traffic Code). Like 42-4-1301 is the DUI statute, get 4 of those and it's a felony. Or a violation of 42-2-138(1)(D)(1), driving after revocation with a previous alcohol related conviction. That one is a mandatory arrest. But not in the "Criminal Code". And trust me, the game warden has as much and sometimes more power than other law enforcement.??????????????? Most violations of the game and fish laws are not in the criminal code.??????/
Actually 18 USC §922, Unlawful Acts ...The first time you illegally cross the border it's considered a misdemeanor. It's only a felony when you've been deported and return.
Covers illegal entry entire, without regard to "severity" of the offense.(a) It shall be unlawful
(5) who, being an alien—
(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
That jibes with criminal justice statistics. Statistically, it's around 9% of the US population engages in criminality, and about 40% of those are "violent criminals." 20 of 350 million would be about the right number of Prohibited persons, statistically.Am I reading this right? There are records on less than 20 million people in the NICS records?
Nothing on the other 300 million folks in the US?
My point is that of the hundreds ive interacted with, and few I know, they don't give their name or any info freely. They buy used cars off of dealers who don't ask names, they find one legal one to title all their vehicles and rent without using names. I once had to order shirts to give some away to a group through work, I only asked first name and shirt size. Nearly all were hesitant to give that. I question the accuracy of anything that says this many gave their info.
People keep bringing up the 3,300 reported denials of illegal aliens in 2017 like it means something.
Those are just the instances where being an illegal alien was the only criteria for the denial of the gun purchase.
What about when the illegal alien had a criminal record (as many do)? That is the reason for the highest number of refusals. In which case they'd be put into that category (criminal record barring them from purchase) even though they are in fact also an illegal alien.