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I have had a complete list for years on an Excel spreadsheet. If a gun comes home with me, it's on the list.

Considering the recent NSA revelations, I would be hesitant to trust saving stuff on emails. As far as I'm concerned, nothing sent in emails is private.
 
wickedsprint has the right idea. There is free online storage available to all of you, just email the file to yourself and you will be able to access it anywhere.
As long as everyone here is aware that when you put anything on your computer (online or not) there is a chance of it being viewed by others, e-mails especially. If you're OK with that risk then great.

If you're like the rest of us just hide that list inside your tinfoil hat, no one will find it there. :D
 
You can encrypt the file easily

Excel has a built-in file encryption. I'm told it is excellent and don't forget the password because it won't be opened without it. In Excel 2007 or 2010, click on file, there should be a tile in the middle labeled Protect Workbook. Click on that tile and choose Encrypt with Password. If you create a nonsensical password with a combination of numbers, letters and special characters, it will be virtually unbreakable. HTH.
 
It is a good idea and something that every gun owner should do. I think it is a good idea to have electronic and hard copies in several locations.

To the tin foil hatters. You have to ask yourself, is it more likely that you will have a gun stolen, or more likely that the NSA or whoever will intercept your "shopping list" so that they can confiscate all of your guns easier? Or maybe you die and your next of kin is trying to inventory all of your firearms? I plan on putting together a master list with every gun, what I paid for it and what its current estimated value is. If a gun gets stolen and you don't even have a serial number to give the police, do you really think there is any chance of getting it back if all you can tell them is, well, it was a Glock 19 and it was black.

Everyone should have a copy of your list that is NOT in your gun safe. Your safe might get stolen and there goes your list.
 
I'm glad that most of you like it, I only intended to offer it as a courtesy. One of the reasons I created it was to help my wife/heirs figure out what was what in the event of my untimely demise, as well as create a reference record in the event of theft or other loss. I just figured that pertinent info and detailed photos would be a good thing to have around.

Now if I can just get my lazy self in gear to get my OWN completed! It's the photo-taking.....I'm just too anal to use snapshots, I want good quality, detailed photos.
 
Excel has a built-in file encryption. I'm told it is excellent and don't forget the password because it won't be opened without it. In Excel 2007 or 2010, click on file, there should be a tile in the middle labeled Protect Workbook. Click on that tile and choose Encrypt with Password. If you create a nonsensical password with a combination of numbers, letters and special characters, it will be virtually unbreakable. HTH.

No, it's not even close to being virtually unbreakable, or even remotely secure.

We routinely break MS Office encryption / password protection at work when people suffer the "error between keyboard and chair" and forget the passwords they've set on worksheets.

If you're going to encrypt something, there are MUCH better ways to do it.
 
As long as everyone here is aware that when you put anything on your computer (online or not) there is a chance of it being viewed by others, e-mails especially. If you're OK with that risk then great.

If you're like the rest of us just hide that list inside your tinfoil hat, no one will find it there. :D

Oh, come on! You can make a paper list and hide it or you can make an electronic file and either physically hide it (on a thumb drive or tiny Micro SD card), or electronically encrypt it, or both.

If you want to get rid of your electronic copy on a computer, shred it using a file shredder.

If you don't want it on the internet, then don't post it there...at least without encryption.

Electronic files are so easy to conceal and protect that it's insane. If people don't take the necessary steps to do so, then that's their fault.

Much like making a hand written record and then leaving it out on a table somewhere for people to find.

;)
 
No, it's not even close to being virtually unbreakable, or even remotely secure.

We routinely break MS Office encryption / password protection at work when people suffer the "error between keyboard and chair" and forget the passwords they've set on worksheets.

If you're going to encrypt something, there are MUCH better ways to do it.

While I'll agree that there are better ways to go about this (an encrypted volume via TrueCrypt being the best solution IMHO), the encryption in Office 2007 and 2010 IS fairly secure (128-bit AES).

I've a feeling if you're breaking them that easily most of your users are using Office 2003 documents.
 
While I'll agree that there are better ways to go about this (an encrypted volume via TrueCrypt being the best solution IMHO), the encryption in Office 2007 and 2010 IS fairly secure (128-bit AES).

I've a feeling if you're breaking them that easily most of your users are using Office 2003 documents.

No.

Dictionary attack for the easy ones, then rainbow tables for trickier ones, followed by GPU acceleration brute force if they used something really tricky. We can crack AES128 fast at my office. I run HPC clusters; throw a few hundred thousand cores at it, and it falls in seconds / minutes.

(Edit; there is a BIG difference between cracking a "password" based key and cracking a much more complex certificate-based protection. My advice, skip the password based crap - use a third party encryption tool that can use the entire byte range with a 2048 bit or 4096 bit key, instead of a very comparably short word or phrase type key limited to A-Z,a-z,0-9,and special symbols)
 
I would recommend having the serial numbers numbers tattoed on one`s brain, but that leaves one with the problem of properly disposing of the tattoo artist ;). Hmmm, maybe Cruncher the Doberman wouldn`t object if I shaved a small patch of his fur off, and tattooed those serial numbers on his skin.Just keep the bald patch covered with a bandage until his fur grows back.:uhoh:
 
put the records in PVC pipe and bury it. Like you did your guns.



If you're like the rest of us just hide that list inside your tinfoil hat, no one will find it there.

Might I reccomend a hybrid approach? Wrap your PVC pipe in tinfoil, to keep out the moisture and keep in the nasty thought-rays.
 
Put you list in a pvc pipe with sealed ends. That should keep it pretty secure buried in the yard until the feds start digging. The problem is that I have to revise mine from time to time.

Put some metal inside so you can find it with a metal detector.... or someone else can. :D
 
Electronic files are so easy to conceal and protect that it's insane. If people don't take the necessary steps to do so, then that's their fault.

;)
I'm not trying to say it will go poof and be in someone else's hands, just that there IS a chance. Even when you protect/encrypt/hide files it's not terribly difficult to get around it for someone knowledgeable. Is it likely to happen? Nope, but if I know you have a list on your computer that I want, I'll get it.
 
I've got a hand written one I've been keeping for a few years, but I'm sure its behind. This just reminded me to update it, print it in invisible ink, memorize it, eat it, then hide myself in a safe.

I also have digital pics of most of my toys. I should check my insurance policy.
 
I'm not trying to say it will go poof and be in someone else's hands, just that there IS a chance. Even when you protect/encrypt/hide files it's not terribly difficult to get around it for someone knowledgeable. Is it likely to happen? Nope, but if I know you have a list on your computer that I want, I'll get it.

Granted...except that is true for hard copy documents as well, even more so in my opinion.

Electronic copies have added advantages that hard copies do not...which really offset any perceived disadvantages.

For instance, if you think that it's easy to decrypt files that properly use good and time-tested commercially available encryption software, then you've got another think coming.

And anybody who thinks security ends there is sadly mistaken...this is another area of vulnerability. Multiple layers of security make access to important files incrementally more difficult because each level of security provides an added level of protection against methods that others are vulnerable to.

For example, secure networks don't just rely on firewalls and electronic security access programs. They're also set up to be independent of other networks, and the stations which access them are also in controlled areas. You cannot hack through a firewall by an independent computer if that computer has no physical access to the network.

The same philosophy applies to electronic files. If all you take is the bare minimum, then you're setting yourself up for a single-point failure. Just like hand writing a list and then not securing it physically, for example.

I have an older laptop, for example, that I could set up as a stand-alone computer and never connect it to a network. If I really wanted to be secure, I could set it up to boot up and run on an operating system installed on a flash drive. I could create and save any files I want and save them as heavily encrypted files on flash drives or micro-SD cards, which I can then remove and physically secure elsewhere. I can shred existing files/erase hard drive space using a shredding program rated to DOD standards. If I was really concerned, I could also physically destroy the laptop hard drive by a variety of means.

In the end I would have any data I wanted secured in encrypted flash drives or micro-SD cards which are so small that physically securing them presents any number of possibilities that could frustrate even the most dedicated search for them.

This is why I roll my eyes at a lot of people who don tin hats about how electronic files are "so easy to hack". They're ONLY easy to hack IF they can be found, IF they can be accessed, and IF they can be decrypted.

;)~
 
Much thanks Rondog & good point. Love me some Excel. I have that folder on two separate hard drives I maintain - one in the safe and one in the briefcase. I do not subscribe to the boat accident weakness, and neither does the BATFE.

Actually an excellent idea for NFA items, along with a laminated copy of your trust when the Game Warden rolls in and says "why are you shooting hogs with a silencer?" Beside the obvious answer (depending upon the State of course), here's my reason brother…do I have to explain why hogs and deer don't mix?
 
Wow, you computer experts amaze me! I'm a borderline computard, in fact our desktop keeps schitzing out and I have to keep taking it in. The repair guys can't figure it out and I'm clueless, and you guys are talking about encryptions and stealing files remotely. That stuff is so far above my head it might as well be the space station.

Thank God I still have this old IBM laptop to play around on. It's probably 10 years old or more, but works fine. My former employer was going to toss it and gave it to me.
 
Wow, you computer experts amaze me! I'm a borderline computard, in fact our desktop keeps schitzing out and I have to keep taking it in. The repair guys can't figure it out and I'm clueless, and you guys are talking about encryptions and stealing files remotely. That stuff is so far above my head it might as well be the space station.

Thank God I still have this old IBM laptop to play around on. It's probably 10 years old or more, but works fine. My former employer was going to toss it and gave it to me.
You MUST stop clicking on things my brother...
 
rondog:
You are highly skilled compared to "guess who"? You can't be a computard, because everybody else is more skilled.
I nickname my coworkers "Lt. Dan". The guy this week is a retired Air Force ("Bird") Col., hence he was Col. Dan.
 
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This is why I roll my eyes at a lot of people who don tin hats about how electronic files are "so easy to hack". They're ONLY easy to hack IF they can be found, IF they can be accessed, and IF they can be decrypted.

;)~
We're talking two sides of the same coin :)
I'm specifically referring to what most individual people on here would do for a list. Mostly being an excel file with maybe an encryption. Of course there are extra steps to make it difficult to breach but most people here probably won't go that far which is why I made the statement that be prepared of the potential of it being copied/taken.
 
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