Reloaded ammo

[hk940]

I recently started working at a local gun dealer. He started buying and selling but is moving to restoring .



My job is to book in all the guns he purchased as well as the consignments.
Take them apart, research year made etc.

I have only been there part time since I started.

August was a really slow month, with sales to almost zero.

The owner asked if I wanted to inventory the ammo he has on hand instead of my usual job, to which I said yes.
That was my job yesterday, on hand are several thousand rounds of factory ammo from .22lr to .458 Win. Mag including 25-20 38-40 and others.

Among the factory loads are several hundred reloaded rounds .260 Rem. being the majority.

I know selling or shooting unknown reloaded ammo is a no-no.

At todays prices, primers between .07-.10 each and bullets and cases being .50-1.00
Is there a market for components?

 

[tightgroup tiger]

I wouldn't try to sell them, I'd break them down and sell them as primed brass, and the bullets as pulled bullets, if you can pull them without leaving marks all over them.
They are probably worth more that way anyways.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

I would think primed 260 brass would be worth a bit to the right buyer. Throw in the bullets if you can pull them nicely.

 

[CQB45ACP]

Are you talking about you selling as an individual?

Or you on behalf of your employer (a firearms dealer & presumably an FFL)?

Don’t know but seems if the latter there might be some regulatory liability involved.

 

[hk940]

As far as how much I think there is (260 Rem) about 1,000 6.5mm heads 300-400 loaded rounds and 200 empty brass

 

[Ohen Cepel]

Are you talking about you selling as an individual?

Or you on behalf of your employer (a firearms dealer & presumably an FFL)?

Don’t know but seems if the latter there might be some regulatory liability involved.

What liability is there to selling primed brass? If I am tracking right, that is what he is proposing.

 

[hk940]

I am not selling for my employer (yes he is a licensed FFL dealer) I told him there are a lot of negatives to selling reloaded ammo. Unknown powder charge etc.
Today I bought 40 brand new Winchester unprimed cases 100 385gr 45-70 bullets and 20 fired cases and 20 loaded cases (405 gr?) for $80.00the price on the unprimed brass $2.67 for 20!

 

[CQB45ACP]

What liability is there to selling primed brass? If I am tracking right, that is what he is proposing.

Beats me. It’s just a precaution.

Maybe selling components is different than selling ammo. Maybe breaking down ammo into components requires a special license to do so. Maybe a business needs to be inspected to see if they do it safely, store it safely, and then dispose of the powder properly?

At 71 I’m NEVER surprised by government regulations are you?

Edit: okay comments passed in the mail. OP’s operating his own.

 

[hk940]

I don't think there are regulations on primed brass (I could be wrong). Loaded ammo is a different story

 

[CQB45ACP]

I don't think there are regulations on primed brass (I could be wrong). Loaded ammo is a different story

Yes you could be wrong. But we’re not giving legal guidance here just making sure folks check for themselves and avoid bad things.

 

[EricBu]

Are you talking about you selling as an individual?

Or you on behalf of your employer (a firearms dealer & presumably an FFL)?

Don’t know but seems if the latter there might be some regulatory liability involved.

There is absolutely no federal regulatory issue with "selling" it.....either ffl or non-ffl (states statutes may apply). The regulatory issue is being an unlicensed (FFL 06 or 07) manufacturer. Is there a civil liability if it doesn't end well? That's for a Jury to decide. I sure would not want to be either a individual or a gun shop owner explaining that I sold ammo and I had no idea where it came from, or admitting that you were the maker without the correct FFL...kind of a rock and a hard place. But you can sell it all day long if you're willing to take the civil risk, or maybe label it as "for component use only, not safe to fire" or something. I'd pull it down and sell the components. Primed 260 brass would move pretty dam fast. FYI, primed brass for shipping purposes is treated as loaded ammo and all those rules apply.

Edited to add....no federal regulatory issue other than you're supposed to have this stupid poster and regulation sheet in your place of business -> about kids and locks and abide by the age requirements. But nothing regarding who (ffl or non-ffl) or what (factory new or reloaded) can be sold.

 

[CQB45ACP]

There is absolutely no federal regulatory issue with "selling" it.....either ffl or non-ffl (states statutes may apply). The regulatory issue is being an unlicensed (FFL 06 or 07) manufacturer. Is there a civil liability if it doesn't end well? That's for a Jury to decide. I sure would not want to be either a individual or a gun shop owner explaining that I sold ammo and I had no idea where it came from, or admitting that you were the maker without the correct FFL...kind of a rock and a hard place. But you can sell it all day long if you're willing to take the civil risk, or maybe label it as "for component use only, not safe to fire" or something. I'd pull it down and sell the components. Primed 260 brass would move pretty dam fast. FYI, primed brass for shipping purposes is treated as loaded ammo and all those rules apply.

Edited to add....no federal regulatory issue other than you're supposed to have this stupid poster and regulation sheet in your place of business -> about kids and locks and abide by the age requirements. But nothing regarding who (ffl or non-ffl) or what (factory new or reloaded) can be sold.

I certainly did not limit my comments to include only federal regulations.

Local business licenses teeter on the whim of local authorities. Firearms dealers are being culled from our county and it’s the National HQ of the NRA for crying out loud. Zoning regs—too close to schools, health regs, you name it has been used.

Often businesses are just being inundated with paperwork and inspections. Make an enemy selling ammo components, for example, and your future is murky.

Three years ago legislation was introduced in Richmond banning any indoor range attached to an office building housing more than 50 people. Exactly ONE range existed—the NRA range in the basement of their HQ. The legislation didn’t pass but it goes to my point.

That’s ALL I said. Businesses may have regulatory liability where individuals do not.

 

[EricBu]

I certainly did not limit my comments to include only federal regulations.

Local business licenses teeter on the whim of local authorities. Firearms dealers are being culled from our county and it’s the National HQ of the NRA for crying out loud. Zoning regs—too close to schools, health regs, you name it has been used.

Often businesses are just being inundated with paperwork and inspections. Make an enemy selling ammo components, for example, and your future is murky.

Three years ago legislation was introduced in Richmond banning any indoor range attached to an office building housing more than 50 people. Exactly ONE range existed—the NRA range in the basement of their HQ. The legislation didn’t pass but it goes to my point.

That’s ALL I said. Businesses may have regulatory liability where individuals do not.

Uhhh, all I said was regarding the Fed piece. All I said, lol. Settle down my friend, nobody attacked you. I was quite clear I was just referring to the federal side. BTW, some of us still live in America, so we aren't wrapped up in the same BS you reference.

 

[CQB45ACP]

Uhhh, all I said was regarding the Fed piece. All I said, lol. Settle down my friend, nobody attacked you. I was quite clear I was just referring to the federal side. BTW, some of us still live in America, so we aren't wrapped up in the same BS you reference.

Okie dokie.

But think you’re not wrapped up in all this?

Remember Kevin McCarthy’s warning in the final scene of Invasion of the Body Snatchers?

Anyway, to hone my conspiracy theorist creds, I can imagine in my county (formerly part of America and home to founders George Washington, George Mason, and Dave Grohl), “deconstructing ammunition” will be soon be labeled a type of “ammunition manufacturing” and thus prohibited within 1000 feet of occupied dwellings. And everything here is within 1000 feet of occupied dwellings.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I am not selling for my employer (yes he is a licensed FFL dealer) I told him there are a lot of negatives to selling reloaded ammo. Unknown powder charge etc.
Today I bought 40 brand new Winchester unprimed cases 100 385gr 45-70 bullets and 20 fired cases and 20 loaded cases (405 gr?) for $80.00the price on the unprimed brass $2.67 for 20!

If you can make a buck at it, it’s worth the effort. Pulling projectiles is tedious work and it is really easy to ruin a good bullet with a bad technique. An impact hammer with a wad of cushion in the tip is probably the softest way for the bullet to be extracted. Go slow and work on the wrist snap technique. It’s all about inertia.