Reloading classes??

Hey, I have this tshrit!

When I got my first progressive an RL550b I had my cousin build me a bench for it. It wobbled a little and as I found out later that's what defeats the primer seating components. The press itself was easy to setup and it produced some good ammo with very few problems. But my first lesson in the progressive world was they need a sturdy mount or you'll be looking at ammo in the first post.
 
AK Hunter said:
After picking these up from our club range I'm wondering if I need to start some kind of reloading class at our range.
It's probably someone that has not read their book or someone that just got a progressive press for Christmas. LOL
One would think at the high prices of primers & how hard they are to find that some reloaders would be a little more careful with them. If they are going to reload like this it would be cheaper to just buy & sell the reloading equipment.

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Someone needs to learn what the term quality control means.
 
I've made one of those sideways primers. On a single stage no less. Somehow it flipped when I went to seat it, and the only way to get the brass out of the shell holder was to lean on the handle until it seated. Earmuffs and safety glasses on, but it never went off. It never made it to the range, and it still sits on my bench.

Merry Christmas everyone!

chris
 
Bush Pilot said:
What the hell is it good for then?
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ballman6711 said:
I've made one of those sideways primers. On a single stage no less. Somehow it flipped when I went to seat it, and the only way to get the brass out of the shell holder was to lean on the handle until it seated. Earmuffs and safety glasses on, but it never went off. It never made it to the range, and it still sits on my bench.

Merry Christmas everyone!

chris
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Ok - confession time - I have done that too. Like Chris, it never made it to the range. I had a hell of time getting it out of the shell holder.

I am guessing the OP's pics are someone else's reloads(shooters friend, gun show, or any online auction house that you can buy "reloaded-ammo" on) that were discarded at the range...reloading education may not help
 
On a progressive loader where the primer is seated as the handle is raised.......brought up......then pushed forward to seat the primer..........it seems to me a safety feature might be to design in a "click" or "reset" where the handle cannot be lowered again until you do. The press cycle would require you to push the handle forward to seat the primer to get it to release or "click" so you can do another. Otherwise, what happens if you don't push it forward to seat the primer?
 
Cheesemaker said:
Ok - confession time - I have done that too. Like Chris, it never made it to the range. I had a hell of time getting it out of the shell holder.

I am guessing the OP's pics are someone else's reloads(shooters friend, gun show, or any online auction house that you can buy "reloaded-ammo" on) that were discarded at the range...reloading education may not help
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Never done it but could have easily enough. I use Lee’s safety prime and with small primers if you’re not deliberate (not necessarily slow) small primers can flip in the holder (or whatever it’s called) and you could mash it if it didn’t fall on the floor first.

Lee actually has a video on how to correct the root problem.
 
Howa 9700 said:
On a progressive loader where the primer is seated as the handle is raised.......brought up......then pushed forward to seat the primer..........it seems to me a safety feature might be to design in a "click" or "reset" where the handle cannot be lowered again until you do. The press cycle would require you to push the handle forward to seat the primer to get it to release or "click" so you can do another. Otherwise, what happens if you don't push it forward to seat the primer?
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On the Dillon 750 pushing the handle forward (ram down, priming) is required to finish feeding the next case into position 1. You can mangle a case pretty good if you raise the ram without priming first.
 
Howa 9700 said:
On a progressive loader where the primer is seated as the handle is raised.......brought up......then pushed forward to seat the primer..........it seems to me a safety feature might be to design in a "click" or "reset" where the handle cannot be lowered again until you do. The press cycle would require you to push the handle forward to seat the primer to get it to release or "click" so you can do another. Otherwise, what happens if you don't push it forward to seat the primer?
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One of my favorite undocumented features of the Lee Hand Prime (and its knockoffs) is difficult it is to partially seat a primer and not see/feel it. Ditto for the RamPrime.
 
Howa 9700 said:
On a progressive loader where the primer is seated as the handle is raised.......brought up......then pushed forward to seat the primer..........it seems to me a safety feature might be to design in a "click" or "reset" where the handle cannot be lowered again until you do. The press cycle would require you to push the handle forward to seat the primer to get it to release or "click" so you can do another. Otherwise, what happens if you don't push it forward to seat the primer?
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If you don't seat a primer and the case goes around to get powder and a bullet, you have created a powder shaker or "pepper shaker", of no danger to anyone, except perhaps for bits of spilled powder. I've seen a couple in commercial ammo, FWIW.
As for the unused primer, on a Hornady LNL AP, it remains in the shuttle, which keeps a new one from dropping and keeps it oriented anvil up, assuming the user loaded it in the feed tube that way.

As to horror stories, I have a small one. I was talking to someone at a reloading supply table at a gun show and I happened to ask what scale he used. He said you don't need scales, just fill the case because they're made that way. I memorized his face in case of ever having him sit down on a bench next to me.

As far as teaching a class, I'd personally shy away from it without some sort of bona fides, like the NRA reloading instructor certification, just for liability reasons, though even then...

And those rounds the OP found, holy crow!
 
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Step grandson and his father bought a bunch, like 1/2 cubic foot box of someone's reloaded 9mm. All different colors of lead bullets. They were too long for them to chamber so they came down to have me shorten them. Good lord. Had them break them down, burn the powder, save the brass and stashed the bullets in the barn. Then we had reloading class. Resized the top half, put in surplus auto comp, gave them some berry's and now it's all over. Things I get involved in.
 
Show Me said:
Step grandson and his father bought a bunch, like 1/2 cubic foot box of someone's reloaded 9mm. All different colors of lead bullets. They were too long for them to chamber so they came down to have me shorten them. Good lord. Had them break them down, burn the powder, save the brass and stashed the bullets in the barn. Then we had reloading class. Resized the top half, put in surplus auto comp, gave them some berry's and now it's all over. Things I get involved in.
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That’s good on you, man… :thumbup:
 
JohnMc said:
As far as teaching a class, I'd personally shy away from it without some sort of bona fides, like the NRA reloading instructor certification, just for liability reasons, though even then...
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I didn't even realize that such a class was available. It looks interesting enough that I may put it on my "to-do" list.
 
higgite said:
Since those are from a range, probably more than some"one" loaded those.
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No it looks to me that it was all from one shooter because it was in about a 4' diameter pile of about 200 rounds of 9mm fired. I picked up about 20 that had these primer problems. But of the 20 I pulled down the powder loads were within plus or minus .2 of being 4.5gr of powder. So they have good powder drop. I guess 1 out of 10 isn't that bad. LOL
 
hoardingthemanual said:
I suppose we can cut him slack and say “it happens.” But I cannot cut him slack on his lack of quality assurance. It’s like the chef who doesn’t taste the food; he’s making ammo and not checking his work. That I cannot abide.
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Exactly. The biggest failure in this example is the failure of a final inspection of each round.
 
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