Remington 700 ADL 30-06 firing when safety pushed to fire

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I pulled this gun out of the safe. I can't remember how old it is. I got it from my uncle years ago. I did sight it in more than 5 years ago. Fortunately, while the gun was unloaded I noticed that when the safety is pushed to the fire position the gun fires. I tried it a dozen times and it does the same thing every time. Could this be a warranty issue or is something that I should take to a gun smith to remedy? The serial number is seven digits and, is all numerical and starts with 689.
 
Yep, get it fixed for free. Friends 70s era 700 did it last time we hunted, we couldnt get it to do it again.....course it would do it with a live round, and scared the cow he was gonna try shoot away.
 
http://xmprecall.remington.com

Go here, enter your serial number, and the page will tell you if it is under the recall or not. FYI, my dad's was fixed under warranty the first time his went off by disengaging the safety, but with another X-mark. When it came up as still under the recall, he had me install a Timney, rather that pulling his scope mounts and waiting through hunting season for Remington to fix it. Midway has Timney triggers for $130, if you are so inclined.
 
i have had many,many remington rifles used and new over the years(over 50 years) and never had a AD, but i have had the triggers adjusted the right way and cleaned regularly(they should never be lubed with a heavy oil). case in point i have several new never fired remington 788,s that when you close the bolt the firing pin drops as you push the bolt into battery. to cure the problem i soak the trigger assemble in carb cleaner and air blow dry to get the dried factory lube out. any man made item can fail and with a firearm it can be fatal, any firearm no matter the maker should always be pointed in a safe direction. to me the most dangerous hunting rifle ever made was the older winchester-marlin lever actions rifles and the most AD,s i,ve seen were with them over the last 61 years of hunting. eastbank.
 
This is exactly why the lawsuit. The problem is that in 1946 the trigger was designed with a connector between the trigger and sear. If the connector happens to get in just the right position it will drop the firing pin with no trigger pull. When this happens the safety is the only thing holding back the firing pin. Release the safety and the gun fires. The guns do it erratically. Most will never do it, but 100% of them made between 1946 and 2006 can do it at any time. The fact that someone has one that is 50 year old and has never done it simply means the connector has never aligned in the right spot yet. My rifle was made in 1974 and has done exactly as yours twice, (unloaded both times) 20 years apart. After the last time 2 years ago I replaced it with a Timney.

Remington has been sued over 100 times over this since the 1950's. The engineer who designed the rifle and trigger discovered the flaw in 1946 when inspecting brand new guns off the assembly line. He sent strongly worded memos management and even drew up plans for a new trigger without the connector, but management declined because it would cost 5 cents more per rifle. Some people who have no clue how a Remington trigger will talk nonsense about how the problem is a dirty or improperly adjusted trigger. That CAN cause the problem with a Remington or any other trigger. But a Remington trigger CAN do it if perfectly clean and adjusted with a 15 lb trigger pull. This has been proven beyond any doubt.

You can send your rifle to Remington, wait 6 months to a year and get it back with a mediocre factory trigger. But I paid just over $100 and got a much better Timney trigger. It came in the mail in a few days and took 30 minutes to install. Now that I've done one I could do it again in closer to 10 minutes. That is what I suggest.

The Remington 788 trigger BTW is the only Remington bolt gun that uses a different trigger than the 700. All others 1946-2006 use the same Mike Walker designed trigger.
 
i don,t disagree with you, but i also think some(not all) of the AD,s are caused by misadjusted triggers,miss handleing in the field and improper lubing. i also think when a AD happens a lot of the people first blame the trigger instead their actions. i have had quite a few rem 700 triggers apart and have no trouble useing them, i fixed a older rem 700 rifle the owner who had misadjusted the trigger so wrong that sometimes the movement of the bolt to unload the rifle fired it. if putting another trigger on your rifle makes you feel safer do it. thanks for the no clue commit how a rem trigger works. why no mention of the older unsafe win-mar lever actions out there that have wounded and killed many,many people over the years and it wasn,t untill the 80,s that a good safety was put on them and still people complain about the little push button safety that could save their lives eastbank.
 
It is a problem that has plagued the "Big Green" company for years. I recall stocking a small band of Javelina near St David, Az. I had spent hours closing on a nice trophy "Pig". I was ready to to take him out as he stood alone in a arroyo. I unslung the Mdl. 700 .17 Remington and released the safety. The 700 fired as the safety was released. The Javelina were last seen headed for West Texas.:eek: "Damn" all that work for naught. I have never again owned a 700 Remington. :(
 
I pulled this gun out of the safe. I can't remember how old it is. I got it from my uncle years ago. I did sight it in more than 5 years ago. Fortunately, while the gun was unloaded I noticed that when the safety is pushed to the fire position the gun fires. I tried it a dozen times and it does the same thing every time. Could this be a warranty issue or is something that I should take to a gun smith to remedy? The serial number is seven digits and, is all numerical and starts with 689.
Sounds like Remington doing what Remington's do - fire without the trigger being pulled.

Your best bet is to replace with a Timney and use the recall to make Remington pay for it. Every single trigger Remington has ever designed for the 700 has been recalled (including the current one).
 
Sounds like Remington doing what Remington's do - fire without the trigger being pulled.

Your best bet is to replace with a Timney and use the recall to make Remington pay for it. Every single trigger Remington has ever designed for the 700 has been recalled (including the current one).

My understanding is that it is past time for Remington to pay for you to install an aftermarket trigger. Do you have a link showing this? If so, I will have my father send Remington his receipt.
 
This is just my opinion so dont tear me up....but for some one with inclination and time to tinker, the xmark pro trigger fixes the issues with the walker trigger design, and actually offers a decent pull while still being quite safe. I have them on both of my 700s, and after cleaning the lawyer goop out of them, doing some tinkering, and testing the crap out of them dry, im quite happy with them. I dont try for lightest pull, but i prefer a very little trigger movement.

Again tho, comfort and confidence in your system is more important than 100 bucks imo.
If you have any doubt of the design/build quality of remingtons stuff, i highly recommend one of the very good replacement triggers.
 
I entered the serial # of the rifle into Remington's Class action database and it said it wasn't included. Next I called Remington and after describing the problem and giving him the serial # he told me the gun was covered under the class action and gave me a link to go to. Bottom line is Remington is sending me a return label and box to send the gun back to have the trigger replaced. This ADL is a cheap gun and since I will not be the one shooting it, I'm content with having Remington replace the trigger. While I'm happy they will be fixing it, this situation has be concerned about the other three mdl 700 models that I have that are higher end which I've had for 30 years and have never had any issues with the triggers. Each of them has had hundreds of rounds through them. None of them show up in Remington's class action database either. Doesn't give me the level of confidence I had in the safety of these guns prior to reading 2 hours of trigger problems related to mdl 700's from the 1960's to present. I'm reluctant to replace the triggers on all three rifles with Timney's, but the thought has crossed my mind.
 
My understanding is that ALL walker triggers are to be replaced. I could be wrong but thats how i read it. One gun i checked on was a mid 70s, the other was my own late 90s
 
Do not for one minute think that the Rem 700 trigger is the one, only, and sole cause of negligent discharges that can happen with their firearms. Plenty of owner induced issues amplify the number of these guns firing. It has been shown that one too many owners do adjust the trigger too light, or with too little reset, that they can and do use the wrong lubricant which can and does affect the trigger mechanism, and that they do practice handling and unloading procedures which increase the risk.

It's called a negligent discharge and I speculate the larger number of them in Remingtons is due to that. Since there is no forensic examination of every gun in every instance over the last fifty years, there is no empirical proof what the causes are. What we do know is that the trigger does have a design defect that may cause it to go off, and that humans are prone to error. I can definitively prove the latter, as Mike Walker didn't invent the Glock SAFE trigger, yet there is a growing number of Glock owners with the telltale mark known as "Glock Butt."

There are also thousands of Remington owners who simply refuse to have their firearms handled by Remington, and not all are replacing their triggers. Timney isn't sold out of that model and they remain available. Their view is that what was proven in a courtroom doesn't mean it's necessarily a problem in their life and they accept that their handling of the firearm will not endanger them. They likely never push the safety off when loaded unless it's pointed downrange using the 4 Rules.

Because some would make that same decision regardless of the expertise of their view, and because we live in a society that says "if it saves the life of one," responsible owners get the Walker triggers removed. Frame it and hang it on the wall. It's a great talking point when friends come over and prompts discussions over cost/benefits, liability, and public perception. These will become rare enough in the future as firearms memorabilia as Remington is scrapping every one sent in.

Timney or otherwise, choose carefully how the new trigger is installed. Field triggers on hunting rifles should be set over 4 pounds, military standard is 6. Adjusting the trigger to competition range weights is fraught with the higher risk of discharge in itself, a gun carried over rough terrain and handled in the cold of winter with gloves on doesn't justify a 2.5 pound trigger, it is a known hazard and has no place on a field gun. What it has is a large number of fanboys who think that it makes a significant difference and who adjust them that way regardless of the safety of their family and selves. Case in point, the newest issue sniper rifles no longer have user adjustable triggers. The constant problems caused with tinkering with them have been proven a liability, not an advantage. A serious shooter learns the trigger, and pull weight on triggers doesn't make the bullet more powerful or influence accuracy significantly when shooting in the field. Wind is a bigger issue, and calling it more important.

Leave those Timneys alone for the most part, in todays legal climate they are just the next lawsuit waiting to happen.
 
Thoroughly clean, lube and properly adjust the trigger and the problem will go away. Keep the trigger maintained and the problem will stay away.

If you are unsure about your ability to do either, take the rifle too a good gunsmith and have a Timney trigger installed and properly adjusted. If the Timney isn't adjusted properly, it can have the same problem but it's more forgiving of neglect than the old Remington factory trigger
 
I have a 1980 700 BDL in .30-06 that my Dad bought new. He never had a problem with it, and I haven't either. I know he never took it apart and fiddled with anything, wasn't his nature to do so. I, however, AM a fiddler, but I haven't touched the trigger. It's never released the firing pin when it wasn't supposed to.

That said, I only shoot it from a bench at paper targets, not hunting. The only time there's a live round in it is when I'm behind it and it's pointed downrange. But Dad hunted with it and never reported a misfire.

Now, I'm also a heavy skeptic, and I firmly believe that if I sent it in for the recall, it would come back with a "lawyer-blessed" trigger that is utterly horrible. Absolutely certain it would be worse than what's in it now.

So, were I to decide to replace the stock trigger, I'd spend the money and do it myself with a Timney, or a Jewel, or some other high-end performance trigger. I'd rather buy a good one than suffer with garbage just because "it was FREE!"

To me, "free" oftens means "Caution! Beware!"
 
Great write up tirod.

Ron, i had the same thoughts so i bought a xmark pro off ebay for 30 or something like that in 08...cleaned the gunk out of it and slapped it in and guess what, your right.
Heavy (but crisp) pull, much preferred my walker designed trigger.
I fiddled with it but could never get the pull below about 5lbs. Then i found the second spring they use to limit pull reduction. After removing that and more tinkering im very happy with it.
I really like that the saftey lever pushes the trigger under the sear when its engaged, such a simple change, but it makes me much happier.

Again this is me, I take everything apart. To some one not interested or confident, i still think the timney or other trigger system is a better route
 
Two incidents I witnessed,take from them what you will.In the 1970's I hunted with a Marlin 336 30-30.At a popular PA deer hunting area one cold dark opening morning a crowd was gathered.Cars and hunters were lined up along a road.Some were loading their rifles.I heard a boom and saw a streak of fire down the side of the road at waist level.It was another hunter whose thumb slipped when releasing the hammer from full cock on a lever gun.No one was hit.I put a hammer spur on mine.But I later acquired a 1958 Win model 70 and sold the Marlin.In the early 2000's my son in law bought a new Remington 700.On our second hunt with it he released the safety and it fired.He tried to fire it and realized the safety was on.When he released the safety it fired.Thankfully into the target backstop.
 
As a follow up, I received a box from Remington but no shipping label to return the rifle. So I called Remington and they told me that they would email me a label. As I was talking to the rep, I asked her how long the turn around time was and she informed me that a decision wouldn't be made by the courts until Feb 2017 and that they would hold my gun until the court decision was finalized. Glad I found that out as I was informed of this until I asked. Definitely not worth the trouble of sending a gun back just to have the trigger replaced. After cycling the action 60 times or so I finally got it to where the trigger will fire the gun instead of just moving the safety forward to fire the gun. I also noticed that the trigger has been adjusted to 3.5 lbs. If I remember correctly most of the factory triggers are set around 6 lbs. This gun has hardly been used at all. The blueing everywhere including around the muzzle is perfect. Remington says this rifle was manufactured in 1975. I've showed a number of my friends the issue this gun has and all of them have been freaked out by it. Definitely enforces the importance of following gun safety rules! Even though this rifle has issues, I still love my other model 700's of which I have never had any issues with and have hunted with for more than 30 years.
 
Thoroughly clean, lube and properly adjust the trigger and the problem will go away. Keep the trigger maintained and the problem will stay away.
Regretfully this is not true. Even Remington admits that a brand new gun with Walker trigger can malfunction right off the shelf. Crud in the mechanism not required
 
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