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Good catch. Big deer. My fat fingers do not have autocorrect, lol.How much did they cost you?
Good catch. Big deer. My fat fingers do not have autocorrect, lol.How much did they cost you?
That last part is sort of a must know to give you good advice or for that matter even a good opinion. Matching the gun to the game involves the distance between you and the game and how proficient you get with the rifle. My opinion and just my opinion I have never been a big fan of hunting with an AR and even less of a fan of using a 223 Remington cartridge for deer regardless of what you shoot it out of. I am not saying I don't do it because it won't work well, I am saying it because I have much better guns for hunting deer. More on that later.I plan to go deer hunting with it. I am not sure in what range I am gonna to hunt yet, I would figure out in what distance I can guarantee a clean kill when I go and practice in shooting range.
I would be looking for an older slightly used Remington 700 VSSF (Varmint Stainless Synthetic Fluted) chambered in 308 Winchester, The difference between a 30-06 Springfield and the 308 Winchester is not that great unless you want to, for some unknown reason chase deer with a 220 grain bullet.On the lighter bullets ranging 150 grain to 180 grain using a 308 you are likely only giving up a few hundred feet per second. Take that same 308 and neck it down and you can get a 7mm-08 Remington cartridge which is likely a little flatter shooting at longer distance but let's just focus on the 308 Winchester which you mentioned. I like the Remington 700 VSSF guns because they incorporate an aluminum bedding block into the synthetic stock making for a real nice and accurate hunting rifle. Remington isn't alone as Savage has some very nice and accurate bolt guns right out of the box with some nice features also. I just like the older Remington 700 BDL guns better. Now if you want to shoot a deer at a range of something like 800 yards across a canyon then start thinking 300 Win Mag or any of the larger belted magnum cartridges. It's all about terrain and distance.
I like ar. It definitely is one of my favorite rifle I have already decided that my first rifle would be a bolt action chambered .308win,but I will definitely get an AR15 in the future.My understanding comparing .30-06 and .308, assuming both are running a 150grSP, is they're ballistic twins to 800yds. Most of us will never attempt that shot at a deer for a variety of good reasons. If you can get closer and/or steadier, it's generally proven good advice to do it. In "The Hunting Rifle", Jack O'Connor talked about the different weights of .30caliber bullets then available. The way he told it, the 220grRN was sold as necessary for tigers, but IIRC not actually used much by professional tiger hunters. In my opinion, unless you're handloading a 220gr, cast lead or jacketed, for accuracy in a particular rifle... another thing not necessarily deer-legal everywhere... there's no need to go that heavy for the average deer.
Savage... don't have to be latest greatest... even older ones shoot real good.
Ops I am from China. Where gun ownership is extremely restricted, and there are only few of city have shooting range for true firearms. I have never hunt anything or shooting a gun before I came to the US. I am interested in firearms, but my study was mainly about history, mechanical structure, general rules etc. That was purely theoretical. I had officially started to practice shooting, learning about hunting just yet. I am also interested in collecting firearms as wellAs noted, there is a difference between hunting and shooting.
We know the OP is living in the Tacoma, WA area. But, where is he from? The way the posts read suggests Eastern Europe. Some of those countries have apprenticeships to go from bird hunter to big game hunter. That's not so much about ability to shoot, although that helps, as it is about field craft and knowing the animals and the ecosystem. Over there, when you're known as a hunter, you're known as a thinking man.
Okay, now for rifles... why not get a CZ452 in .22LR? The version I'm thinking of has a rear tangent sight and Bavarian style stock. It's a nice adult-size rifle. A good .22LR can get you some good range time without your big game rifle's recoil.
The crankbolt big game rifle... .308 and .30-06 are both known to be excellent choices for deer and elk. I know the talk about using .243's and different 6.5's on elk, but seriously, why not use a .30cal? The .30-06 is a versatile classic. I'd recommend learning to shoot it with a good set of iron sights before doing anything with a scope.
If you are including elk, 308 would be an excellent choice.I am interested in big game hunting. Deer and Elk seems to be popular quarry in Washington State(where I am living in).So if I go bolt action gun, I may choose.308 or 30-06.
But we can't recommend being a fudd.Not everyone is a shooter. In fact, I would strongly argue far and away the majority of hunters aren't dedicated shooters. Hunting is the important activity, shooting is just a couple seconds per season. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If anything, many of the consistently successful hunters I've known were absolute fudds who knew very little about their guns other than some basic form. They don't see the point of shooting a whole bunch of ammo when the gun is already sighted in and likely to hit close enough to where they aim. If that is the OP's desire, why knock it? Get a dependable rifle/scope combo, shoot enough to feel comfortable with it, and put your real time and effort into planning, scouting, and enjoying the outdoors.
I agree and my point was between a 308 Winchester and a 30-06 Springfield real simply put taking the 308 you aren't giving up much. Personally I have never seen any need for a 220 grain bullet in the 30-06. I do believe I once saw a 220 grain bullet on a 308 Win cartridge commercially marketed but I won't swear to it and again see no need for it. Interesting about the tiger origin as I have no clue.My understanding comparing .30-06 and .308, assuming both are running a 150grSP, is they're ballistic twins to 800yds. Most of us will never attempt that shot at a deer for a variety of good reasons. If you can get closer and/or steadier, it's generally proven good advice to do it. In "The Hunting Rifle", Jack O'Connor talked about the different weights of .30caliber bullets then available. The way he told it, the 220grRN was sold as necessary for tigers, but IIRC not actually used much by professional tiger hunters. In my opinion, unless you're handloading a 220gr, cast lead or jacketed, for accuracy in a particular rifle... another thing not necessarily deer-legal everywhere... there's no need to go that heavy for the average deer.
Savage... don't have to be latest greatest... even older ones shoot real good.
I suggest you by an air pistol and target trap and practice aiming and trigger squeeze before you by any rifle.
This training program was taught to me in the [...] NRA certified
I took an NRA class when I was a kid. Aced it and was top shooter from the get go.
Only thing I learned was that Instructors often know less than their students.
But by golly, they're "certified".
About 1989. The courses had representatives from NRA, NSSF, and University extension service. and all of them certified the courses. I do not know or remember who designed the content of that program. I am guessing from your response that it was not part of the NRA program although I do have manuals from the NRA. Since the U of M sponsored the course as a 4-H shooting sports program it may have come from them. Since it was so long ago and I have moved 5 times since then I may not have the literature anymore. I did attend advanced NRA courses another time as well NSSF courses.What year did your TC include an air pistol recommendation in the BoRS course? I’ve been certified since the 90’s and sit in on Instructor courses whenever we’ve refreshed the books, I have never seen that in any NRA rifle course literature.
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The premise and purpose of the NRA Education and Training Division is to reach the Everyman, most often by intent who does not own a firearm, and propagate basic skills, knowledge, and attitude to safetly own and operate firearms. There’s no delusion these classes are offered to create elite marksmen, (save the highly specialized competition Coaches system, which aren’t offered as courses), nor do they require elite marksmen as instructors. When you see a “Defensive Carbine” class beside an NRA Basics of Rifle Shooting course, you’re not looking at competing courses, and as such, you can’t expect the same elite level of instructor, and can’t expect the same level of training. One is an elementary school, one is a University. Far more folks go to Kindergarten than to College.