Remington 700, what's the consensus?

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Unfortunately, in today's Wal-Mart society, everyone wants more for less, including myself. Old-world craftmanship has gone by the wayside as CMC-machines take control. The desire for quantity versus quality is the Corporate mantra, even though the latter dominates the marketing blurbs. Poor fiscal management and competitors with lower operating costs, are driving quality out of those brands with whom we had loyalties only 10 or 20 years ago. Ughhh...

That deep, ocean depth blueing on yesterday's weapons - gone, unless you spend a small fortune. Today we have "matte blueing" that reduces the expense of quality blueing and polishing. When's the last time you saw real 20-line-per-inch checkering that was sharp, even, and void of CMC machine marks when the checkering even exists? Jeweled and polished bolts? Forget it, unless you have a surplus of funds.

With age comes wisdom thankfully. Rarely ever do you see me visiting the "new" car lot, I'm more often found on the "used" car area. I used to take great pleasure in that new car smell, now I take more pleasure in not taking the 40% value decrease when I drive the vehicle off the lot. It's still new to me.

Same with guns nowadays. I still do my research, create a cost justification for the wife, and fondle the newfangled gadgets, but I always end up in the corner with the one's that other people chose to part with. And I've found, I get a great deal of pleasure of rolling my own, turning the sow's ear into a silk purse, if you will.

The Remington 700 tops my rifle list. Always has, always will. It is fundamentally a solid, strong action, with lots of after-market potential, that hasn't changed much over the years. Has the fundamental engineering quality of the 700 changed? Not in my experience. Has the overall quality of the 700 changed? To some degree, it's hit-or-miss in the past 10 years, rough bores, crappy stocks, and that latest abomination of a trigger.

I've personally turned the "misses" into hits with nothing more than few hours and some easily acquired, inexpensive tools and supplies. Would I buy a new 700 at full-price - I doubt it. Would I buy a used one at a fair price - you betcha!
 
Remington Is a good base if your building a rifle. But if your not doing any modifications like what PT1911 suggested then its a mediocre rifle. You could get by but its not fantastic.
 
I must of got a magical Remington 700.

1/2" - 3/4" at 100 yards with just standard Federal 308's. First range trip, with no work on it but a scope mounting.

Yeah they suck...
 
If you want a good remington you have to look past the SPS. Which brings the cost up to $699 for a VTR, which are good shooters, but have ugly stock. The 700 BDL, CDL are great. But you are going $800 plus. The point is, it is hard to justify buying a Remington over something else. Unless you are talking shotguns.
 
I dont buy new guns as a rule.

Hypothetically if I were to buy a new one it would never be a Remington. I have plenty of 70s and 80s ones though. Id get a Savage these days.

The point is, it is hard to justify buying a Remington over something else. Unless you are talking shotguns.

I think the best deal going are Remington shotguns too. But only the ones from 15 or more years ago. Or at least the pre-express days. Used Wingmaster are the best value in shotguns today bar none.
 
Which brings the cost up to $699 for a VTR, which are good shooters, but have ugly stock.

The VTR IMHO is a rifle that doesn't make much sense. Beyond it's looks, the practicality of the rifle is questionable. The "muzzle break" being built into the rifle makes it difficult for modification. But I agree that you should look at something other than a VTR and you likely have to pay more for it if you want to buy a Remington.

I tend to agree with the SniperCentral.com assessment of the rifle:
http://www.snipercentral.com/vtr.htm

The first thing we noticed is that the muzzlebrake really was not that effective at reducing felt recoil. The rifle is fairly light, but not overly so, and the recoil on the rifle felt about the same as a LTR or SPS-Tactical. But the muzzle flip was less which did allow for quicker target acquisition after firing. I thought that the recoil reduction should be more than it was, as it did not seem to perform as well as most of the modern muzzlebrakes on the commercial market. Now, I will admit that we have no equipment for measuring the exact figure in terms of reduced recoil; this is just a personal comparison between rifles we have shot before.

The VTR shoots ok, but I would not say good, at least in comparison to the other heavy barrel Remington rifles available. We did manage to get one sub .5" group at 100 yards, but we had to really work at it. The small group of the day was .448", but the average group size of the good groups fired (meaning no obviously bad called flyers, etc) was only .858". This is not quite up to the normal accuracy we typically will see out of a 700P, LTR, SPS-Varmint, etc. I believe this is due to the drastic reduction of metal that is removed making the triangle barrel profile. Though the accuracy is still sub 1 MOA, it is just not what we have come to expect from Remington tactical/varmint rifles.

So, to conclude, how do we rate this rifle? Personally, I'm not sure what the target market is for the rifle, but I would not take it over any of the other Remington tactical type options out there. If I were looking for a short tactical rifle, I would much prefer to buy a LTR or even a SPS-Tactical where I would get a nicer stock and save some money while I'm at it, not to mention get better accuracy. The Muzzlebrake does not do quite enough to make it a real decision maker over the SPS-Tactical. Unfortunately, I just don't see the advantage of this rifle, but perhaps it'll fill a niche somewhere.
 
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i love my remington 700.....and my stepmom loves hers, and my cousin his, and i love my 870. Any company can put out a lemon but i have had zero complaints with any of the remingtons my family have owned or i have shot, and all of ours are fairly new (except my 870)
 
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