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remington model 770 .270

I purchased this gun on 11/07/09. I shot a deer on 11/16/09, 11/18/09 and missed on 11/22/09, two deer missed on 11/23/09 and my last miss was on 12/22/09. I finally figured out the gun did not hold zero and didn't want to shoot it in the woods on my private property to see how far off it was. I took it to a private range and found out it was off by more than 6 inches from 50 yards away. I spent six more bullets trying to get it near center and finally had to give up. I returned to the woods on 12/23/09 with my 870 rifle brl. and missed one 75 yrds. away. I don't know who wrote the claim---fill your freezer---but it is not with this remington model 770 .270 and now I am just trying to figure out if I am better served by using this gun for a crow bar or a tire iron. I plan to buy a stevens tomorrow (1/3/10) with a Leupold scope and see what happens next year. In my opinion the gun I have will hold zero if you can get it there for only a few shots then it has to be re-zeroed again. I guess if you don't mind spending $20 on a box of bullets and using 10-12 to get it zeroed in then shot only one deer a year you are okay but I don't know how little your freezer has to be to "fill the freezer". Remington must mean the freezer under the refridgerator along with the ice cream and ice cubes. Remington customer service was not helpful during this time. So I took two deer, missed five all 75 yrds. or less away from me and called it a year. Next year I will not be using this gun.
 
I've got a question...why are you deciding to go with a different gun rather than trying a better quality scope on your 770?

Your case just sounds like the usual "Crappy scope ruined by hunt(s)" story. A better quality scope than the $20 scope that Rem. slaps on their rifle should do better and actually hold zero. You won't find any love for the 710 or 770 from me, but blaming the gun for what is an el cheapo scope failure just doesn't seem fair to me.
 
Scope, gun or both

Okay, you suggest a better scope might cure my problems with this guns accuracy? What scope do you suggest I put on this $400 rifle? I looked at a stevens, weatherby, and both appear to have a better action than this sticky, plastic, bolt action. I have a gun vise so getting close to center is not a problem. Any suggestion is helpful. Figure I missed 3 deer, thinking the other two might have been my fault and you come up with $900 worth of meat at $3 a lb. I don't want to miss next year.
 
Stevengunsaremuchbetter,

Regardless of what gun you end up with next year, you need a much better scope than comes with a 770, or any other package deal (except maybe TC scopes).

I recommend one of the following as a bare minimum scope with respect to value and durability ($130-$200 depending on size and where/how you buy it):

Bushnell 3200
Burris Fullfield II
Nikon Prostaff

Then put it in some good rings/bases, another $40-50 dollars.
 
I have heard of the Nikon Prostaff. You suggest before I turn this gun into a crow bar (sell it at the gun shop and buy a stevens or weatherby vanguard .270) I purchase this scope and some decent mounting equipment and give this gun another chance?

Thanks, Mr. Pale Horse for prompt reply.

Avenger 29, back in June of 2005 on this forum you said:

the Stevens Model 200, the Mossberg ATR 100, or the Marlin XL7.

If I am shopping for a budget rifle, one of those three will go home with me.

Do you still feel the same way. I get the feeling from your last posting you agree with Mr. Pale Horse and believe that a good scope with mounting equipment might solve all my problems? Also, how high should I mount this scope, is lower better?

Thanks for the input.
 
Normal height above line of bore is 1.5". However, as long as the eyepiece or ocular diameter is easily clear buy the bolt handle as you cycle the action, is usually the limiting factor, unless you buy an enormous objective, say 50mm or larger.
 
Best bet of your choices is the Stevens, these are accurate right out of the box.

The Weatherby Vanguard, as long as you get the 'sub-MOA' is a good choice also.

The standard Vanguard(Howa) is a hit or miss proposition...we get a good report from about every 7th or 8th one we sell, the rest are so so to hear the customers tell, but they seem to like them none the less.

The Stevens with a 40mm objective scope on it will give you good enough cheek weld, trash the factory stock and get a Bell and Carlson medalist and you can safely go to a 44mm objective.
Of course a Kartsen adjustable cheek piece will remedy the factory stock for just a little cash(less than a B&C stock) and you can mount ANY size objective you like.

Keep in mind that the Savage Stevens rifles' actions are fairly long, comparatively, so you will more than likely need to use a 'picatinny rail' type base to enable you to get the proper eye relief.

Your assumption of 'lower is better' is spot on. Mount the scope as low as you can leaving enough room between the barrel and objective bell to slip on a scope cover or such.

Stay away from the Mossberg. The Marlin is a good rifle, but the Stevens is the best of the bunch you mention!
 
Okay, so what I hear most people saying is junk the remington model 770 .270 and purchase a stevens .270. Do I buy a package deal with the stevens or do I buy the gun and mount the scope seperately? Wow, I can not begin to tell you the frustration of only hitting a few deer after seeing so many, so close. I don't want to go through this next year. Your help is appreciated.
 
Okay, so what I hear most people saying is junk the remington model 770 .270 and purchase a stevens .270. Do I buy a package deal with the stevens or do I buy the gun and mount the scope seperately? Wow, I can not begin to tell you the frustration of only hitting a few deer after seeing so many, so close. I don't want to go through this next year. Your help is appreciated.
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If you're going to buy another rifle, then buy the scope/mounts and rifle separately, unless the package deal is cheaper. If you buy the package deal, take the scope off and sell it, either on this site or elsewhere, so you aren't tempted to use it. Basically, put better glass on it either way...and it'll save you frustration on your hunts...


A rifle, even an affordable one like a Stevens or Savage rifle, deserves decent glass- as good as you can afford. The best way to go might be to sell the Remington 770...

the Stevens Model 200, the Mossberg ATR 100, or the Marlin XL7.

If I am shopping for a budget rifle, one of those three will go home with me.
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The Stevens 200 is currently the one I'd choose, particuarly because you can change the barrel to a different caliber without much trouble at all. Also, since it is basically a Savage rifle without the accutrigger, most Savage accessories and parts fit, so you can customize it as you see fit.

Do you still feel the same way. I get the feeling from your last posting you agree with Mr. Pale Horse and believe that a good scope with mounting equipment might solve all my problems? Also, how high should I mount this scope, is lower better?
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Personally, I think a good scope is the first thing to try out. If you are still dissatisfied with the 770, then sell the rifle and keep the scope for the rifle you buy next.
 
Okay everyone, I have figured out what I am planning to do. If anyone disagrees please let me know. After reading other forums and finding the same disgusted buyers of this Remington model 770 I have decided to buy the Stevens .270 and put on a Nikon Prostaff scope.

I am not sure what to do with the Remington because I don't want anyone else to feel the frustration I endured this hunting season so I guess I will just throw it back in the box and hope someone robs my house someday and I can use the gun as part of my insurance deductible. Of course I will not leave it on the porch but I will put it in the porch window and hope for the best. My only concern with this is the thief realizes the error of stealing a Remington model 770 and tries to return the gun, crying like a little girl and begging me not to press charges for breaking and entering.

Another issue is the insurance company denying the claim due to a lack of value in the aforementioned merchandise stolen. I don't know if there is a book that states gun values but this is probably the first gun with a negative value. I can only imagine making an insurance claim and the paperwork coming back where the insurance agent asks me to pay them a couple hundred dollars because the stolen merchandise had a negative value and actually devalued my home by being in the house.
 
Anyone interested in buying this gun for parts or to have two so when one goes bad you have another bad gun to back it up? I can see it now, the deer come to your blind because they know you have a pair of Remington model 770's and it is the safest spot in the woods. Word travels fast with deer.
 
Okay, Avenger what do you think is a fair price for this gun. I paid $379 for it in Michigan (6% sales tax) and I should receive $40 rebate back from Remington. What do you think is a fair price for this gun? In other words, if you owned this gun what would you sell it for? I purchased it 11/07/09. Thanks for your help.
 
My Remington model 770 .270 is now up for sale.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=496725

The gun above doesn't have a scope, the gun I am selling has a Bushnell scope although I don't know how good it is. My guess would be it is less than average. I haven't been out with the gun vise to zero the gun back in because at the range I only had six bullets but I am close. I used my Remington 870 shotgun the last day I went hunting with a rifle barrel and Hornady SST ammo and missed yet another deer from less than 75 yards away. I am just so frustrated with the whole season I can't see straight. Seven deer within 75 yards and only put two in the freezer. Wow, I can't explain how frustrating this is. Anyways, I am going to buy the Stevens Model 200 and put a good piece of glass on it and know I will do better next year. Hopefully I will fill all my tags during bow season and won't even have to get out the gun.
 
Uncle Mike, do you own one of these guns?
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No way buddy! But I have sent plenty back to Remington for repair, and have shot hundreds of rounds through different 770's setting them up for customers.

They can be accurate, but it is the exception. Most folks feel as you do.

Don't fret, how would you have known Remington is turning out such junk. Many have been surprised.
 
I have been following this thread and contacted Remington at [email protected] to get their reply to this thread. I summarized the thread:

Your gun is described as junk, plastic, cheap, bolt is sloppy and sticky, safety and magazine are "noisy", trigger needs adjustment, Tupperware gun, ugly as sin, not a good deal, sticky trigger, ridiculous magazine, doesn't hold zero and this is only the first page of the thread. On the second page...

Let us see if someone from Remington signs on to this thread to defend their gun or if leadership is truly dead in America. Here at Michigan State University we teach leadership and GM was told in 2004 they would have trouble staying in business with their product line and there are many other companies who were warned and did not heed our advice and look where they are now. Remington, if you know what is good for your business you will address these issues and make the customer your first priority instead of profits because price becomes an issue in the absence of value.

Nice reading all that has been written and rarely do you see a thread where almost everyone agrees--this gun should have never made it out of development.
 
my .02 cents worth

I looked at all mentioned weapons, decided on Marlin XL 7 in 25 06. Reason was it felt better and had trigger similar to acu trigger. Best decision made in long time. I am not a great shot,too much Red Man,tea, sodas and toting round about 75 extra pounds, but from bench out box, after zeroing in, shot 1 inch group at 100 yards. Mounted Konus Pro 3x12x50 illuminated recticle{?}. Next group was about 3/4 inch. Was very supprised. Will be buying XS7 in 7mm08. Also bought 308 Marlin Express about a month before WOW!!!!, but thats another post. Needles to say, I am now Marlin fan. Also, read on another sight that savage barrell and tools are same,still trying to verify this,allthough they do seem to be same. Winchester model 70 mounts fit Marlin for both long and short action. I own a Savage with acu trigger and see little difference between it and Marlins. I am not gonna make any comment on GREENIES lack of quality cause ya'll got it covered very well. I urge you to find someone with the weapon we have all recomended and shoot each one if possible before you buy. other rifles I own A bolt 7mm rem, model 70 270, parker hale 243, Rem 788 in 6mm,7mm08,308, Rem 660 in 308,Interarms in 308, Rem 700 221 Fireball and XP100 in 221, Savage in 17hmr and 270. See I am equal oppurtunity, in other words "POLITICALY CORRECT" LOL GOOD LUCK and GOD BLESS
 
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I have been following this thread and contacted Remington at [email protected] to get their reply to this thread. I summarized the thread:
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In case you didn't know, Remington is now owned by a corporate entity that owns Bushmaster and other manufacturers. All they are concerned with now is covering the cost of their corporate overhead to keep form being sold again or shut down. This is the same for most gun manufacturer's. The problem is the gun magazine's never write a bad review about a firearm. So people have this idea that all these cheap rifles really aren't junk when they are. Get the cheap Savage, the Model: 11 FCXP3. It sells for under $400. The only difference between it and the more expensive version the FXP3 is lack of the accutrigger.
 
Hey, I have an idea. Why don't we all send Remington a message:
[email protected]
and tell them what a piece of junk this rifle is and see what they say, if anything.
Can't hurt. What do you say? Lets try. I don't know what they do about it but anything is better than nothing. Come on America. If we don't stand for something then we stand for nothing.
 
Lopezni,
The difference between the savage model 11 fcxp3 and the stevens model 200 are similar? Do you agree the Nikon Pro Staff 3x9x40 scope is a good choice? bushnell 3200? Burris FullfieldII? Again, anyone else want to chime in with the best combo in a .270 bolt action rifle and scope combination I would appreciate any advise.

BTW, Remington contacted me today and asked to have the gun sent back to them so they can see why I missed five deer? They want to make sure the mechanics of the gun have integrity. They are sending me a prepaid postage label so I can send the gun right to them and they will look over the gun and the Bushnell scope on the gun to see what may have happened. It doesn't get my meat back but maybe they get to look at what they built and evaluate how effective this gun is. Who knows, maybe I knocked the scope off line somehow and it is my fault and only needs to be re-zeroed. I don't hear as many voices who think this is a good gun as much as I hear voices who think this gun is made strictly to add to the bottom line of the gun producer and cheat the gun buyer out of a positive hunting experience. IMHO
 
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