AI&P Tactical
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Exactly like Virginian said all the receivers are vibra-honed in the same tanks with same pellets at the same time, every model. I have walk on the cat walk by those tanks several times so I know it to be so.
One must understand the word Marketing to understand the models. Much ado is made about the Superiority of the Police due to the claims that they are made with heavier parts. This is not a lie but it is for sure a deliberate Marketing ploy.
There are only two parts involved and only in the 4+1 model guns. The heavy carrier dog follower spring is used in all the models except the Police. That is the silver spring and it cost $4.95. In the Police they use a model 1100 carrier latch spring in place of the heavy carrier dog follower spring and it cost $4.95 and is the black spring that many have seen in my videos. Well, if that black spring works so much better and it cost the same as the silver one then why don't they put it in the Wingmaster, Express and all the Express Tactical Models?
In all the Express 4+1 and the Wingmaster they use a 4 shot spring that cost $4.95. In the police 4+1 they use a spring called the Police Long and it also cost $4.95 and that spring is a true upgrade since you get better feed of the shells back on to the carrier. Since both springs cost the same why don't they put them in all the models?
The answer to the above two questions is "Marketing" and they would loose the right to tell you that the Police is built with heavier parts since all the other parts are the same in all 870's, except of course the MIM extractor in the Express and Express Tactical Models.
So yes, certain things are preserved to market certain models. Same is done with most every thing we buy. If you are old enough to remember shopping at Sears in the Old day you will remember this. For many things like Towels, sheets and others there were three levels, Good, Better and Best. You could pick up this items and feel and see the differences. The Towels market best were heavier and the weaving was tighter. Those days are gone. You now have to trust some pimple faced kid called an "Associate" to tell you why you should pay more for this model over that one. You sure can't tell the difference anymore unless you consider the obvious and useless bells and whistles an upgrade. I don't, I consider them a bunch of mess.
I constantly hear from customers how smooth their Dad's old Wingmaster is compared to the new models. I tell them put the same amount of rounds through any 870 and it will be just as smooth. It has to because the parts are the same and have not changed nor has the specifications of the guns. If fact the manufacturing has gotten better because the computers and robotics are more precise then the humans who built your Dads old 870.
I know myths die hard and many will still not accept the facts. Like J.T. said, "you can believe it if it helps you to sleep". As for me, I go to the Horses mouth every three years and I sit in class and listen to every word. I know the facts and I don't try and perpetrate a myth on anyone to make more money. I would take a model 25549 Remington 870 Express Home Defense into any close quarters fight whether it be Home Defense, Duty or even Urban Combat and I would never feel under gunned. In fact, if I can't take my 870 to a gun fight I just ain't going.
One must understand the word Marketing to understand the models. Much ado is made about the Superiority of the Police due to the claims that they are made with heavier parts. This is not a lie but it is for sure a deliberate Marketing ploy.
There are only two parts involved and only in the 4+1 model guns. The heavy carrier dog follower spring is used in all the models except the Police. That is the silver spring and it cost $4.95. In the Police they use a model 1100 carrier latch spring in place of the heavy carrier dog follower spring and it cost $4.95 and is the black spring that many have seen in my videos. Well, if that black spring works so much better and it cost the same as the silver one then why don't they put it in the Wingmaster, Express and all the Express Tactical Models?
In all the Express 4+1 and the Wingmaster they use a 4 shot spring that cost $4.95. In the police 4+1 they use a spring called the Police Long and it also cost $4.95 and that spring is a true upgrade since you get better feed of the shells back on to the carrier. Since both springs cost the same why don't they put them in all the models?
The answer to the above two questions is "Marketing" and they would loose the right to tell you that the Police is built with heavier parts since all the other parts are the same in all 870's, except of course the MIM extractor in the Express and Express Tactical Models.
So yes, certain things are preserved to market certain models. Same is done with most every thing we buy. If you are old enough to remember shopping at Sears in the Old day you will remember this. For many things like Towels, sheets and others there were three levels, Good, Better and Best. You could pick up this items and feel and see the differences. The Towels market best were heavier and the weaving was tighter. Those days are gone. You now have to trust some pimple faced kid called an "Associate" to tell you why you should pay more for this model over that one. You sure can't tell the difference anymore unless you consider the obvious and useless bells and whistles an upgrade. I don't, I consider them a bunch of mess.
I constantly hear from customers how smooth their Dad's old Wingmaster is compared to the new models. I tell them put the same amount of rounds through any 870 and it will be just as smooth. It has to because the parts are the same and have not changed nor has the specifications of the guns. If fact the manufacturing has gotten better because the computers and robotics are more precise then the humans who built your Dads old 870.
I know myths die hard and many will still not accept the facts. Like J.T. said, "you can believe it if it helps you to sleep". As for me, I go to the Horses mouth every three years and I sit in class and listen to every word. I know the facts and I don't try and perpetrate a myth on anyone to make more money. I would take a model 25549 Remington 870 Express Home Defense into any close quarters fight whether it be Home Defense, Duty or even Urban Combat and I would never feel under gunned. In fact, if I can't take my 870 to a gun fight I just ain't going.
It's an easy fix. Most people just burnish the chambers with steel wool wrapped around a dowel or brush, but you can use a drum brake wheel cylinder hone and totally solve the problem if necessary.
