Remington 870 Witness Protection

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From what I have heard is that the registration fee is still $200 to register it. I'm not 21 so I can't buy a NFA from a Dealer yet so I have to make my own. That reciever could have been a shotgun but had its guts and all stripped and all to resell.
 
Oh, that's right. The stamp will still be $200 because you're manufacturing. My bad.

Regarding that seller's description, there are contradictions in it...
870 SHOTGUN
RECEIVER

NEW FROM THE FACTORY
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Up on the block here is a brand spanking new Remington 870 receiver. ...

These receivers are shotguns-it is illegal to change them into AOW's.
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AFAIK, the receivers are firearms, but are neither long guns nor handguns... yet.
 
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What if he just bought a new one and stripped it? Since I bought it without a stock and there is no proof of a buttstock ever being on it, is it AOW'able? What if the seller claims it had one?

I've read some crazy things on Gunbroker before like a Navy SEAL's 92 and a .40 SIG being sold.
 
What if he just bought a new one and stripped it?
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Then I'd say he's misrepresenting the item, because that would be a used/like new item IMO. If you were to ask THAT seller if it was a virgin receiver and he proposed that it is, and is totally factory new, and was never mated to a shoulder stock or barrel, I don't think his line about it being a 'shotgun - it is illegal to change them into AOW's' holds water. If he tells you that it was at one time a long gun, it will always and forever be a long gun. You can turn it into a short barrel long gun, but it won't ever be an AOW.

Some of this is just 'letter of the law' stuff. If I buy a virgin receiver and put together a long gun, but then strip it all back down and sell it to you as a receiver only, you then turn it into an AOW, the ATF never had any record of my long gun build, just that it was a virgin receiver from Remington, you ended up with it and AOW'd it. If you know or have reason to believe it was a long gun, you really have to go with that info.
 
AOWs

I'm not an expert...I do own a Mossberg/Cobray Rogue conversion in 12 ga. The unit is a factory made AOW and as such it cannot have a Birdshead grip legally, or a shoulder stock. AOWs require only a $5.00 stamp and the Feds DO require knowlege of which state it is in. It also requires their permission before it is moved from the state of registry, temporarily or permanently. I am about to move to Alabama where they may not legally be owned so I am hoping their laws change before the house here in NH sells or I have a hard decision to make.
 
The bird's head grip is a pistol grip though, I've seen factory AOWs with the bird's head. AOWs don't require BATF's knowledge of what state its in, same with suppressors. SBSs, SBRs, and machines guns require notification.
 
Yeah, you're wrong in a few places. Good thing you prefaced that with not being an expert. ;)

Bird's head grip is a-okay on an AOW, as are front grips as well. Stocks are the only no-go. No 5320.20 (interstate travel form for NFA) is needed for an AOW, either.
 
I'm trying to find a Pistol Gripped 870 that was factory. Does anyone know where Mark Serbu gets his to make his Super Shortys?
 
Could a regular FFL order one? Or would I have to go through a Class III? Any idea how much they cost?
 
GOOOOOOGLLLLEEEEEE. Seriously. I know very little beyond what I've stated, and Google is your friend. Go find out. :p
 
So basically if you buy a standard (sholder stock, midlength barrel) shotgun and chop it and PG it then it MUst be registered as a SBS because it was once a full length shotgun. but if you buy one from the factory with a PG and chop the barrel then it can be registered as an AOW because its now considered a smooth bore handgun?
 
So basically if you buy a standard (sholder stock, midlength barrel) shotgun and chop it and PG it then it MUst be registered as a SBS because it was once a full length shotgun. but if you buy one from the factory with a PG and chop the barrel then it can be registered as an AOW because its now considered a smooth bore handgun?
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Welcome to our asinine NFA laws, yes, you're correct.
 
This is my cutdown SBS. It's a factory SBS Mossberg 590. I totally agree with PTK, get a birdshead grip for the crappy original one. Here's a couple pictures of mine.
 

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I found a Remington Sportsman 12 for $175 at a gunshop, is this gun good enough to SBS? Also are all the parts compatible with the actual 870? From what I've heard its the predecessor of the Express model and looks like an 870 in everyway that I could see.
 
No and no. For $175, I can think of three gun stores in NH that have used 870P 12ga shotguns as trade-ins. DO NOT buy anything but a labeled 870 in good condition or better, in my opinion. :)
 
Nope, I can't recall the name, either. When I get back into MT from business, I will look through my records - there are QUITE a few good 870s to be had for under $200.
 
original witness protection shotguns from wilson arms co of brunswick ga on receivers he obtained directly from remington are a 5 buck xfer and are registererd as aow.if you send a shotgun in,it's a 200 xfer registered as a short barrelled shotgun.check midway or brownells for the buttstock,front sling holder etc.also put a 6 round shell holder on the side.i enjoy both but witness protection shotgus,they are sweet.there is an outfit in tampa florida that makes a copy of wilsons executive protection 3 shot 870
 
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