Remington Golden Bullet Value Pack Junk Ammo

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Jeb
You are one of the lucky ones. But it seem that there are more here that have had trouble with those Golden bullets then then those that find them great.
Now why have they been selling so good? Have you been asleep the last few years? 22 ammo has just started to become available in most places.
It never bothers me if others don't like something I like. One member posted that he doesn't care for the Federal Auto Match 22 ammo but, I like them. I don't see it as we disagree. It's just that he has had bad luck with them and I haven't.
 
Guess I'm not the only one to run into Remington shoddy product. I just ordered some Browning 400 packs as they were cheap. John Moses wouldn't dare put his name on a defective product. (or would he????) Due to arrive soon, we'll see.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
You are one of the lucky ones. But it seem that there are more here that have had trouble with those Golden bullets then then those that find them great.
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As with most things on the internet, I'd say the complaints are the exception, rather than the rule.
 
Reminds me of the internet complaints of various ammo like Tula ammo. I remember when 380. ammo was so expensive and and Tula was one of the most available and least expensive ammo out there. People bashing it everywhere, like a wildfire. Yet I was buying it like crazy and never a problem. Would get a hard primer strike every now and them, but it was no problem considering the cost. Steel ammo they said would destroy a extractor was a big complaint. Yet I shot Thousands of Tula through various guns and never once had a broken extractor. Later other companies like Hornady etc came out with steel case and well, it still there. Remington is a bulk ammo. For me it works well in my guns and I am one of the lucky ones. Good news is that here in America we have a lot of choices. It it works, buy it, if it doesn't buy something else. I enjoy shooting 9mm and shoot it a lot, reload my own, and buy a lot of bulk. I like shooting 22. cals and own many. But unless I am looking for match grade ammo I will not buy 22.cal like CCI at such ridiculous cost.
Everyone one likes to boast that they are CCI fans when comparing Remington. Lol, ok, I would be too if the cost was the same. But it isn't.
I buy Goldens, because they will cycle some semi-auto's better than other bulk. A good HV ammo. For other guns that get a lot of practice I prefer something that is even less expensive like the Fed in the Blue box.
I guess if I shot 22.cal just occasionally, I might spring for the CCI . But man, the way I shoot 22.cal, combined with 9mm, then well, as the Bartender said when the monkey climbed out of his seat, jumped on the bar and went over and peed into the cash register. "Man, this is going to run into a whole lot of money".
I find it ironic that one of the reasons I got so active with 22.cals years ago, was because of the low cost of high frequency shooting.
 
Might as well add my 2 cents. My sr22 has jammed FTE very occasionally with all .22 ammo including CCI, except the Golden bullets. It loves those things,no duds or jams ever.
However I do not shoot the Golden bullets with my revolver any more. I get more splatter from the forcing cone area with them than other brands. I think it may have something to do with the looser crimp on the GB and the bullet not hitting the cone straight.
 
I had this a few years ago at my last outing with .22s-yes it's been that long. But, it was Federal 550 bulk brown box that was seriously filled with snappers, about 20%. All were at least making it out the barrel of my GSG-5, but luckily were not cycling the action, causing me to check everything. Rem GBs and Win bulk were both 100% at the same outing-I had bought all three, which were actually available at one time.
 
commygun said:
Was surprised to get three squibs in a row from a 50-rd. box of CCI standard velocity the other day.
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Hey Commiegun, is that a doxy dog? Good looking animal.
I 'm afraid to open my ammo locker and do an inventory. There is probably another brick of the Golden duds with the same lot number as my first defective rounds.
 
doubleh said:
Have you considered that it might be the M&P 22 and not the ammo. They were known to be picky about what ammo they would shoot. My son-in-law has one that has sat in the closet for years as he's never found any ammo that isn't frustrating to try to shoot in it. I told him to send it back to them and get it fixed but he hasn't.

I am another that likes Golden Bullets. I will get a dud now and then but not nearly as many as with Federal and Winchester. Aguila and Fiocci fall in between those and GBs so I consider it pretty good stuff in the lower price range. It's also right there with CCI mini-mags in the accuracy department in three of my rifles. Evidently a lot of others like it as well because I haven't seen any for sale in this area for years. Someone has to be buying it.

Not everyone on Rimfire Central dislikes it either.
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My Henry had problems with it too, mostly with dead rounds that had serious primer hits but didn't go off. I put some of them in my Pietta revolver and only some of them would go off with additional hits, most of them just sat there. I haven't had any problems with Federal .22LR, and only a few problems with WW where they won't feed, usually due to deformed bullets and/or cases. Some of them were almost funny in the ways they were messed up.
 
I posted earlier that I truly believe that many 22.cal misfires are from shipping and bad handling. CCI ships and supplies each round in a Plastic hard case with each round individually placed. Many bulk ammo ship in large quantities, ammo just poured into a box. And then shipping rattles the heck out of it. Add you own bad handling of the ammo and bingo, a misfire. Remington now does the same with the Goldens. I use these I rarely have a problem. Also your own gun can many times be at fault. Just a bad firing pin. And on and on.
Here is a great video of what I am talking about. I use to have a video on file that would demonstrate how this works on the actually cartridge.
Watch this video. Yes, this guy is a pro and he does like CCI, and I know he shoots a lot of Federal. But he will also tell you that the nature of the rimfire is what it is.

 
The .22's that I pulled apart to inspect the primer coverage had none in places around the rim on some. If you hit that spot with the firing pin....'click'. There was no priming compound in the powder so it hadn't fallen out from rough handling...was never there in the first place. And if you get one with partial priming compound and luck out hitting it...there will be less fire to light the powder and I think that explains the 'weak' sounding ones you get sometimes.

Takes full priming coverage on every round to insure reliability and consistency...which is too much to expect of bulk ammo being made by the billions as fast as they can. The original rimfire guns often had dual firing pins...for just this reason I figure. If absolute consistency is needed, then the high priced Target ammo which gets much more inspection would be the way to go.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
Funny how the Rem goldens keep selling like crazy. Must be a lot of shooters out there that love them. I sure do. I like CCI's but when a 22.cal plinking rounds gets to 9mm bulk prices, I will pass. Just saw a sale on them for $8.99. Lol, they must be on crack.
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No kidding. I bought several thousand rounds of Mini Mags back when they were $3.50 per 100, and even back then that was expensive! I pretty much only use them these days when I have something like a groundhog to dispatch, so I still have at least half of that order sitting on my shelf. There’s no way I’m paying $9 for a box of them now!!

Golden bullets are almost just as accurate for me, and shoot to a very close point of aim to the Mini Mags, so I'm more than happy to practice with GB's.
 
I had problems with Rem .22 back in 1977 when I bought a .22 revolver for trapping. I sent them a failed round and they said it was a light hammer strike, hmmm, I never had that problem with other brands.
 
Master Blaster said:
Domestically made remington .22 lr Golden Bullets, Thunderbolts, is all garbage, loose bullets squibs, complete duds. Excellent for teaching malfunction drills though..
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Lol, I take it you did not like the report. Glad my guns like them. They have been a Godsend to my Bersa. I noticed from the Chart that I am actually getting more ft lbs and fps with the Remington over the CCI. Both shoot equally in that gun. With a edge to the CCI for accuracy, but not by much. I enjoy shooting that gun along with many other 22.cals which all like them as well. Good news is that you don't have to buy them. Happy Shooting and thanks for the reply. Will be shooting my SR 22 with them this weekend, Hope they shoot as good as they did last week. That gun eats them up like M&M's.
 
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My extensive experience was after trying about 5K random boxes of REM 555 bulk packs over the years I have always had more duds by 20% in any of my 30 or so rimfire firearms. This while all other brands I have tried show about an equal level of duds among themselves at maybe 5% in MY firearms. I realize others may have better luck and for that reason I will leave the .22 REM rimfire on the shelf for you to score when needed. As a side note the .22 MAG ammo is as good or better than all the rest that I have tried. Go figure.:p THAT I will buy more of when available.
 
^It's my understanding since manufacturers realize .22 Mag is used by farmers for varmint control and serious hunting, quality control and price has always been higher than the bulk pack plinking ammo sold loose in buckets or cartons.

Zeroed my Marlin M60 with a Weaver D4 scope at 25yds, checked sight picture at 50yds and 65yds by placing clay pigeons on the berm.
150 rounds Federal AutoMatch no failures. 150 rounds Aguila Super Extra no failures slightly better accuracy.
Fired four 10 rd magazines of Rem Golden in my Ruger MkII chasing a plastic baseball from 10yds to about 55.
40 rounds with one fail-to-fire. Reloaded it and tried again til I had four strikes about 90 degrees apart. Apparently no priming in the rim.
Fired 10 rounds Aguila in the MkII no problem. Filled the magazines with the rest of the box of Aguila for next time.
As I have said, I hate that Rem Golden has gone downhill over the decades. This last session was with Rem Golden ammo from a bulk pack carton, but that's no excuse.
 
azrocks said:
Sometimes you get what you pay for.

I never expect perfection from bulk-pack .22 ammo, regardless of brand.
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Exactly, you buy cheap crappy ammo it generally shoots like cheap crappy ammo. Personally I don't waste my time, I want it to go bang every time, and be reasonably accurate. While I have a bunch of CCI Minimags for plinking I usually shoot Eley and RWS in my rimfires for target shooting. Somewhere I have targets shot with cheap bulk ammo but I would be embarrassed to show them. The Minimags aren't nearly as accurate but good enough for plinking and they never fail.

Both of these were shot the same day in the same rifle at 50 yards with light winds 6-8 mph out of the west, my notes say the Eley was a 20 shot group and the Minimags 10 shots:

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browningguy said:
Exactly, you buy cheap crappy ammo it generally shoots like cheap crappy ammo. Personally I don't waste my time, I want it to go bang every time, and be reasonably accurate. While I have a bunch of CCI Minimags for plinking I usually shoot Eley and RWS in my rimfires for target shooting. Somewhere I have targets shot with cheap bulk ammo but I would be embarrassed to show them. The Minimags aren't nearly as accurate but good enough for plinking and they never fail.

Both of these were shot the same day in the same rifle at 50 yards with light winds 6-8 mph out of the west, my notes say the Eley was a 20 shot group and the Minimags 10 shots:
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Lol, Why are you comparing precision target ammo for long range with Bulk plinking ammo? I doubt many pistol shooters, that use 22.cal for training spend that kind of money. And why would they? As from this chart I wonder why you would use Mini-mags vs CCI standard in the first place even for long distance shooting at 50 yds.

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8711043/m/9871088921
 
Jeb Stuart said:
Lol, Why are you comparing precision target ammo for long range with Bulk plinking ammo? I doubt many pistol shooters, that use 22.cal for training spend that kind of money. And why would they? As from this chart I wonder why you would use Mini-mags vs CCI standard in the first place even for long distance shooting at 50 yds.
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Not saying I'm doing things right, but I use precision ammo for training with a .22 pistol. To my mind, the thing a .22 is good for (regarding training) is developing precision, improving trigger control, & learning to track the sights through recoil. If the ammo I'm shooing isn't accurate enough for me to tell whether it's me or the gun, then I'm not gaining as much from it as I could.

That - and it's a lot of fun to put bullet after bullet through the same hole using a handgun.

Even great .22 ammo is way less expensive than center-fire. And pretty-darned-good ammo (like Wolf match, SK, etc) is very affordable (relatively speaking).
 
"Lol, Why are you comparing precision target ammo for long range with Bulk plinking ammo? I doubt many pistol shooters, that use 22.cal for training spend that kind of money."

Well Jeb, I use precision ammo in my pistols most of the time, and minimags for plinking with them too. In point of fact, almost everyone I shoot with cares primarily about accuracy and uses quality ammo, why some of us even reload our centerfires for improved precision. I feel like minimags give a little extra when I'm hunting tree rats and rabbits, so I plink with it also.

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My point being if you buy cheap crappy ammo you should expect cheap crappy results, and don't complain about it.

What else you got?
 
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