remington/ithaca

[zocolo]

HI--- I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT IF REMINGTON HAD TO SEND ALL THERE LEFT OVER EXTRA PARTS @SER,#2465139 TO ITHICA WOULD NOT 1911 A1
.45 MILITARY AUTOS THAT HAS A SER.# IN THE RANGES IN THE 2628XXX
BE ISSUED GUNS WITH REM.SLIDES & ITHACA FRAMES. ? IF ANYONE HAS
INFO ON THIS PLEASE ANSWER. :

 

[bubba15301]

parts guns

 

[zocolo]

were these parts guns issued to the army troops ?

 

[rcmodel]

Yes.
Most all 1911's in military service were arsenal rebuilt / refinished at least two or three times during their lifetime. There was no effort made to keep matching slides & frames together.

I have also been personally involved in weapons depot cleaning sessions where a whole butt-load of guns were stripped down, thrown in a large solvent tank for cleaning, stirred until done, then blown off, oiled, and reassembled.
Again, with no thought to what slide came off what frame.

The only way an all matching Ithaca would likely still be all matching was if it was stolen during or right after WWII.

BTW: I don't consider them exactly "parts guns" either. The 1911 was designed with interchangable parts for exactly the reasons given above.

To me, a parts gun is one somebody put together out of junk and sold at a gunshow for more then it was worth.

rc

 

[zocolo]

thank you for the information,then can i feel that even thou the ser.# are diff. and the fact that remington sent all there left over parts to ithica for
assembly on there parts after ser#26119013 could have been authorized
to be issued with rem. slides,ithica btms.,so why would collectors after that
ser. range not consider them genuine ww2 collector arms with the same value
as matched upper and lowers. this may all sound ridiculous but think about it.

 

[rcmodel]

You are quite correct that an all-matching 1911, M1 Garand, Carbine, etc. is worth a lot more money.

But to anyone who served in the military very long back then, it is almost a joke.

An entire cottage industry has sprung up to buy mis-matched guns, reassemble them with matching parts from the other guns, and double the price because they are matching.

And todays new collectors will pay it, thinking they just found the holy grail!

Little do they know someone made it that way on thier kitchen table a year ago.

As I noted earlier, an all matching gun at this late date almost had to have come home from WWII in someones duffle bag that way.

rc