Remington recalls 7.8 million rifles

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Elkins45 said:
I imagine this is the most expeditious way of dealing with it. It takes less time to just remove and replace than it would to fix the attached unit.
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I agree replacement would be quicker.
But- they stated in the original recall it would be "specialty cleaned".
So for those that got theirs back already was it cleaned or replaced?
This new recall says they ALL will be replaced presumably with something different.
Since mine arrived the same day as the new recall was announced- I'm wondering how I can tell if I have this new one or still the old one, which means a round trip to New York again.
 
Cerebus is gonna keep 'em all this time....ahhahahahahah :evil:

backdoor gun control strikes again.

M
 
I was actually hoping they would lose mine;)
The accuracy of it is poor and I regret buying it in the first place just over 2 years ago.
So if they want to keep it and send me a check I'd be delighted:D
 
My rifle stays in my safe. End of story. I had been planning an upgrade anyway since my dad almost shot my mother with it when loading and it fired the first round chambered into the dirt at the toe of mom's boot. I was hoping for a recall on mine for a while, but in the current state of the company I simply don't trust them. I have a gunsmith who can work wonders...accurizing it and making it safe all at once.
 
From what I can find, ROC is not issuing a recall on the Walker triggers, just agreeing to replace them, so it will be at the owner's option. There probably will not be a recall notice, and unless the settlement specifically requires it, there may not even be an announcement of any kind other than news reports.
 
red rick said:
Yes , they should have recalled them years ago when they knew of the potential problem with the triggers .

It does make me feel better about Remington now that they are fixing the potential trigger problem . I might even buy a Remington product now . I had avoided them because of the way they handled the 700 triggers .
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I wouldn't pat them on the back just yet, since the triggers on returned rifles are going to be replaced with the X-mark Pro trigger which is subject to its own recall.
 
Thank you Robert!

I have my dad's .30-06 700 BDL, made in 1980. I've never had a problem with it and don't know that he ever did either, but this news has my attention. Someone speculated that Remington is likely to put in super-heavy triggers in the interest of CYA against liability suits, so I'm really interested in this "reimbursement" they've mentioned. I'll slap in a Timney in a heartbeat if they'll pay for it!

Guess I should take it to the range first and give it a good workout to see if it behaves or not. I've always loved it.
 
I own two Remingtons. An old 721 from the 50's and a 700 Mountain Rifle. Will the triggers be REPLACED or re-worked? Are the new triggers adjustable for light let-off. Any other info on what kind of trigger will be provided?

Both my triggers break nice now.....still I want to have a safe gun.
 
1/4 already have after-market triggers on them and the owners won't let Remington near them.

1/2 don't care because they never had a problem.

The other 3/4 of the remaining 25% don't read enough to know about the recall.

That leaves 15 they will have to replace!
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That's about exactly right.... but hey, even if it did cost them a pretty penny, it's more than offset by the money saved from lack of quality control over at the Marlin plant.
 
The triggers are to be replaced if the consumer send the firearm in.

My question is What kind of trigger? The 700 was a light adjustable in the day. A "liabililty proof" trigger isn't going to be light, and letting the consumer adjust it seems to be the #1 problem.

My money is on a 6 pound trigger with medium travel and no adjustability at all. Further, if the owner does tinker with it, the mechanism will show signs of user modification which will get Remington off the hook at the first examination by independent authority.

This is the unintended consequence of carrying bench rest trigger weights into the field where stupid things happen. No army in the world allows a light adjustable trigger in the hands of it's soldiers - even the new sniper rifles issued to professional marksmen in the service have deleted the feature.

The old saw about some's good, more's better means the chickens have come home to roost and the market overall isn't going to get any better. The next victim of the insurance suit parade will likely be an aftermarket trigger supplier - it's what antigunners do. Limit us because we won't exercise common sense, self discipline, and accept responsibility for our actions.

We call it a negligent discharge, the cause is a negligent user.
 
MY QUESTION, then, is this: Have I simply found an earlier recall notice on their website and they have yet to add a current revision?
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Right, they haven't added the current revision because it isn't finalized yet. It is part of a class action suit and while both sides have tentatively agreed, the final step is the judge's approval...which you quoted.

"Under the settlement, which still must be approved by a judge, Remington has agreed to retrofit the rifles in question at no cost to the owner. Many users had new trigger mechanisms installed on their own, and Remington will reimburse them as part of the settlement. For guns that cannot be retrofitted, the company plans to offer vouchers for Remington products."
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http://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...massive-fix-countrys-most-popular-gun-n262721

So I would not expect Remington to put anything on their website about the current issue until the process is finalized.
 
Laphroaig said:
Thanks Robert. I have a 1980's M700, and my son has a 2000 vintage Model 7. Neither were in the original recall. My question is will Remington reimburse for an aftermarket trigger installed now?

To be honest my 700's trigger is fair, but has a little creep that I've always wanted to get rid of. My son was just saying the other day how bad his trigger is when compared to his new Model 70. A couple of Timneys would solve both of our problems :)

Laphroaig
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I doubt it. I wouldn't if I were them. They're offering to fix it for free. You'd be asking for a free upgrade to a better trigger too.
 
"They are going to go broke fixing all of them"
No they won't. I wager they'll go broke long before that.

-Replacing all R51's, plus all the lost anticipated revenue
-Current recall on 887 shotguns
-Dissolution of numerous recently-purchased brands
-Massive consolidation/downsizing move to Alabama

I've said before it's almost like they're trying to burn through all their operating capital, likely so they can enter bankruptcy more convincingly once spun off from the mother ship. These problems have all been simmering for years, so why are they all popping up at the same time, now? Remington could have dealt with them individually, stalling the others until a more suitable time, but now it's like they've decided to fess up to everything they've ever done wrong.
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Bingo we have a winner....totally nailed it!!!

It'll be sad to see them go thought! Another scary thing to consider is if your rifle is at Remington when they do File for Bankruptcy.....you become a CREDITOR. Good luck getting it back.
 
Ok in an unmodified 700 from say 1985, what exactly is the trigger problem?
 
dvdcrr said:
Ok in an unmodified 700 from say 1985, what exactly is the trigger problem?
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The problem is a potential one identified long ago by the engineer who designed the trigger. It has to do with the trigger connector which can fail if the assembly gets excessively dirty or rusty resulting in the gun firing unintentionally. He redesigned the trigger without the connector but Remington choose not to spend the additional five and a half cents per gun it would cost to change.

The ADs may never occur in a well maintained gun. I've been trying to make it happen on a 722 made in 1959, but I can't.
 
My unfired 700 BDL Varmint would drop the firing pin if I racked the bolt, engaged the safety, touched or squeezed the trigger, then took the safety off. If a round was in the chamber it probably would have fired but I never tested it with a live round.

I was not the original owner and it is possible that the trigger was adjusted too light. When I contacted Remington they accused me of screwing with the trigger adjustment and all but called me a liar when I denied it. When I got it back from the service center, it now had about a 10 pound pull.

I sold it at the next gun show still unfired. I was an older model with pressed fleur-de-lis checkering on the stock and in a caliber I decided not to bother with. I believe this was a sixties vintage rifle?

M
 
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I've got a 722 that's been killing deer since the 50s and a Model Seven. Both have had the triggers set to 3 lbs, no problems, but I always put the barrel in a safe direction anyway. I don't think sending it in is warranted, personally. I've had the 722 for 45 years since I got it from my Grandpa and have only set the trigger to 3 lbs. Never a problem. The Seven I've owned for about 17 years and got it with the trigger set, used gun.

If I wanted to "fix it", probably just buy a timney trigger for 'em and install 'em. I don't trust that Remington's "fix" would be a very good trigger, personally.
 
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I got an ADL 2 years ago and finally shot it today for the first time. What was I waiting for? I found the trigger to be a little light so I added a little weight to it, maybe 6 or 8 ounces. I like a trigger no less than 3.5 lbs and preferably 4 lbs. to match my AR's that are around 4 lbs. I have not yet decided whether to send mine back to Remington or just replace the trigger. Adding weight to the trigger took away a little of the creep that was in the trigger. I'm pretty happy so far. kwg
 
I honestly can't count the number of 700's I've adjusted triggers on, and not one has ever discharged when it wasn't supposed to. Most of mine are about 1.5 - 2.0 lbs. and break like glass. The few that wouldn't cooperate were replaced with quality after market triggers. Like RC said, they probably won't get back but 10% or 15% for replacements.

I did have one back in the early 80's that the safety would hand up on, I took it apart, found the problem and fixed it.

GS
 
The fact you adjusted them meant they weren't rusted pieces of junk, though. The real 'problem' here is that the triggers fail into the firing state, instead of becoming inert when dirty/rusted. Properly cleaned/lubed, there's no reason the Walker trigger shouldn't reset properly, same as countless 700's do countless times daily, without incident. But a design that fails into an unsafe state is only slightly less worrisome than a design that was unsafe to begin with --especially if simple neglect is the catalyst (we all know a very large set of gun owners do little if any maintenance on their guns, so it is not unreasonable to expect a designer to constrain their ideas to those that simply seize up and become inert if crudded/rusted)

TCB
 
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