Thats interesting. Did you know SFC Bob Avila? He was a Readiness NCO in 1/141st. We were in ANCOC together at Benning in 1986?
Didn't know him. I don't like giving out a lot of personal information over the internet. I'm uncomfortable telling you as much as I did and only did so because you literally forced my hand. I like this site. I always have. I don't want banned.
Your posts reek of it. Maybe it’s the language you’re using. The way you are expressing yourself you sound very much like a new gun carrier itching for a fight. I’m not the only person here who is reading you that way.
I don't know what you/they think you're smelling but it certainly isn't that. I'll play devil's advocate to some extent but throughout this post, I never once veered away from "seek cover and maintain situational awareness". Getting in between two rival gangs as they shoot the crap out of each other? Try to stop that? Are you kidding me? You don't know me.
One of the first things I learned in police work was that outside of SWAT type duties very little of what I learned in the Army was applicable on the streets.
What I learned in the Army that has in fact saved my butt was situational awareness. Those aren't just two words to me. I am a firm believer that situational awareness skills are just as valuable as gun fighting skills if not more so and that's what I train.
What I’m saying is that there isn’t a lot in your experience on a Bradley dismount team that’s really applicable to a civilian self defense scenario. There is a huge difference between what a peace officer should do then what a private citizen should do.
I don't 100% disagree but I don't 100% agree. you were quick to dismiss my comments on react to contact/react to near ambush but I think that training would be valuable if you found yourself in the wrong situation-like those gang bangers in the video for instance. Notice the guys ducking for cover behind the cars. the one guy crawling between the curb and the car to get even lower. The two fools that ran instead of seeking cover. (I thought that video was very instructive in fact). The battle drills all start the same way-seek cover and then, from our military training and our general background, we understand the difference between "cover" and "concealment". We get that because we were trained to know the difference. We trained for a lot of urban combat and for low intensity conflict where civilians on the battlefield were the expectation. We understand the fog of war and how it gets us killed. I don't think it's useless in a self defense training situation.
There is a learning curve between being a soldier and a cop and there is a learning curve between being a cop and an armed citizen. For example, in 2003 I took Louis Awerbuck’s shotgun class out at Denny Hansen’s range in Prescott Valley. Part of the course was a force on force exercise using airsoft guns. It was a simple problem, an EDP was holding your daughter in an abandoned mobile home. The mission was to enter the mobile home, secure the release of your daughter and leave. My turn came and I entered the mobile home, got the drop on Flynt Hansen who was the bad guy from a concealed position and convinced him to let the hostage go. Denny’s daughter was playing the hostage and she left. At that point the exercise should have ended. But maybe it was because I was wearing my duty belt maybe I just didn’t disconnect from being a cop, I don’t know, I tried to take Flynt into custody which ended in a standoff with shots fired and Flynt shot. If it had been real a man would have died needlessly because I was acting like a cop when my role was that of a private citizen.
I don't see myself ever being in that situation. Based on my lifestyle, I know what my risks are and a hostage situation really isn't one of them. if it's anything, it will be a driveby shooting, a break in of some kind, a road rage incident of some kind, or an outright mugging of some kind which is what happened the one time I had to pull the gun (other scenarios are of course possible but pretty unlikely). I'm guessing we would have both been killed but situational awareness bought me about 15 seconds to pull my gun from the door storage compartment and formulate a plan. I saw it coming. That's why I am just all about situational awareness first and foremost and I mention it all the time. It saved me.
. The easiest way to win a fight is to not have it in the first place.
I agree with that 100% and that is always foremost in my mind. I was however under the impression that, in this forum, discussing what ifs and possible engagement scenarios was the norm. Maybe I was wrong. It's highly unlikely (though increasingly less so it seems) that any of us will ever be caught in a crossfire between rival gangs. I think we all agree that seeking cover would be the best first thing to do and I don't think there has been any disagreement about that at any point.
So, in summary, we fought a little bit but I think that's just kind of our nature to do that. I don't harbor any bad feelings about it. I have physically fought a few people only to later become friends with them because...that's our nature. But I don't want banned from the High Road so maybe I'll just avoid that in the future.
Not sure what the video at that link has to do with a drive by shooting; however, there isn’t enough detail from that video for me to take much of any action.
They say the devil is in the details and that video doesn’t show them.
Whom would you have been engaging had the video been recorded in a remote area with zero chance of hitting other homes? Everyone, no one?
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I don’t have the vision I did when I was younger but I can’t make out any “threat”. I understand, one was “there”, I just see people running from right to left, one carrying a flashlight. That would put me solid in the “save the ammo” category, doesn’t matter if that video were taken in the Ténéré Desert or Times Square.
Right. Pure fog of war there. Get behind something that stops bullets, make sure your loved ones do the same and call the police. I'd probably go as far as to say there's no other better option there.