Revolver grips: small change = huge improvement

GarrettJ

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I’ve been loading for and shooting the .45 Colt in a Ruger Blackhawk for nearly 30 years. And I’ve always wanted a S&W revolver chambered in this cartridge. So I finally bought one. It’s a factory new M25-15, which has the tapered 6-1/2” barrel and nice wood target stocks.

I don’t intend to run hot rod lids through the gun. I have the Ruger for that or I have a S&W M29, should I want more power in a double action.

Looking at what ammo I have on the shelf, I have a couple boxes of 200 gr. LRN-FP, loaded with a mid-range charge of HS-6 from the standard pressure section of the loading manual. They do around 975 fps from the Ruger. Should be a good load to break in the new M25.

On the first shot I think that kind of smarts. By the time I’d shot all 6, I decided it was really uncomfortable. The first knuckle of my thumb was really not liking this. I’ve shot a lot of hard recoiling guns, but this really wasn’t much fun. I think the .45-70 T/C Contender was more pleasant than this.

I shoot similar weight loads through the M29 that are around 60% more powerful. No issues with that one. But it has a set of soft Hogue rubber grips.

So I resign myself to shopping for some less attractive rubber grips for the gun, and I pull out the M29 to look at the Hogue grips. I noticed where the grip meets the web of the hand is more rounded, while the wood stocks on the M25 have a sharp, abrupt edge here. So before I go changing things, I figured I could try rounding off this edge. A little time with some 220 grit sandpaper did a nice job of it. I don’t think you’d notice unless it was pointed out.

So today I got to go try it out. I shot some 240 gr / 1000 fps loads through the M29 first, for comparison. They were pleasant, no discomfort at all. I then shot some of the .45 loads. Unlike last time out, there was no discomfort at all. I shot most of the box of ammo, both slow and fast, single- and double-action.

Amazing how such a small change can make such a big difference. Sorry, I didn’t get a “before” picture. Photos are from after the change.


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I have that same revolver. I think the “hottest” loads I have shot in it are a 255 grain RNFP at 800 FPS and a 205 grain RNFP at 900 FPS.
I didn’t buy it to shoot hot loads. I have an original Ruger Vaquero for that. But since I no longer live where woods denizens may try and munch on me I am not real concerned about having a gun loaded for…nope! Not mentioning that animal everyone is so concerned about encountering. 😁

Congrats on your new model 25, by the way. Mine is definitely a keeper.

I know the area on the grip you speak of though. I can feel it but it’s not bothersome, but I can see how it might be.
I will try and snap a photo of mine in the morning so folks can see the difference between yours and mine.
 
The factory stocks on the 25-15 are Altamonts; they are beautiful, but have a squared edge at the top. Why they do this is a complete mystery; have had the same problem with some Centennial grips, and solved it the same way as GarretJ.
For the 25-15, I went looking for old style S&W coke bottle stocks, and found some from Eagle. They are rounded, and wider, at the humpback on the frame. They are a considerable improvement on the OEM.
I've rubber Hogues on a a Mountain Gun and a 629, but would really rather avoid those; they are just the wrong vibe for a traditional revolver.
C'mon, Altamont. You make really nice stocks, how about addressing the shape at the top?
Moon
 
Nice looking work, glad you got it straightened out. Thanks for sharing your experience, I'll file that away in the old memory banks. Heck, I'd like to see a group photo the guns mentioned.
 
@GarrettJ

Here are the photos of my grip. I tried to reenact your shots. I was a little off, but maybe these will work.

Just so you know, the grips on the 25-15 are made by Altamont for Smith & Wesson. Both companies verified this when I called both and asked. I have found slight variations in their grips when looking at the same models.

Here are the photos I promised. Sorry they’re later in the day. I darn near forgot.
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I’ve found a similar ridge on the factory Altamonts on Colt Pythons. I replaced the grips entirely but I suspect that some surgery of the kind you’ve accomplished would remedy the problem. As above, I do wonder why they don’t radius these shoulders better. For warm to hot loads, that shoulder acts like a chisel into one’s hand. Nice job! I’d love to find a 25-15 near me…
 
@GarrettJ

Here are the photos of my grip. I tried to reenact your shots. I was a little off, but maybe these will work
Yep, that last picture shows it well. Probably not a problem for someone with larger hands than mine, as you note.

What’s funny, the wood grain makes it look like yours are contoured as well. But the last picture show it well.
 
Yep, that last picture shows it well. Probably not a problem for someone with larger hands than mine, as you note.

What’s funny, the wood grain makes it look like yours are contoured as well. But the last picture show it well.
I haven’t had a problem with mine. They fit my hands well.
 
I've taken a file and sandpaper to my Altamonts for the same reason and with similar results....they aren't as good as even the factory rubbers, with full house, or nearly so, loads, but better than that sharp 90 degree edge....no slight intended to Altamont, though, they make handsome and well fitted stocks...really like the Ropers...but again, they're a moderate recoil stock. Rod
 
Nice trio. The Blackhawk is my favorite, but the 29 and 25 are dandies too. I ended up developing a desire for a Redhawk in 45 Colt, but I haven't been able to connect with one yet. Thank you for sharing.
 
Every Picture Tells a Story, Glory.
A great photo essay.
I think there is a bit of science to this grip to hand fit thing.
 
I had to do the same to a couple different sets of Altamont grips. They look good but weren’t really designed for shooting
 
Yep, I have whittled on stocks to make them feel correct shooting PPC. Starting with S& W target stocks, I cut the even with the bottom of the grip frame, I then rasp off the excess wood where the bottom of my hand grabs them. I try to leave them as wide as possible in the area who my thumb wraps around them. And I remove the checkering.

They end up looking like this,

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Not great images. I will take better pictures and swap them in when I get the chance.

The resulting grip is very much like a Magna stock with a grip adapter.

Kevin
 
Something similar I had done on Ruger Bisley, removing sharp edge just behind trigger guard (these grips are not mine, just showing what could be done):

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I modified factory grips using vacuum pipe and sand paper.

WARNING: Remove grips from revolver, you do not want to slip and sand metal parts ;) .
Sand grips gradually, even small modification will change filling in hand considerably!
 
All but two of my magnum revolvers wear synthetic grips, I am much more of a “comfort over style guy” myself. (The sole wood-grip holdouts are a S&W Model 66 6”.357 and a 6.5” Ruger Bisley .32 H&R.)

I also need to occasionally modify grips like you did. ( Nice job, by the way :thumbup: ) The biggest grip-offenders I have is on Glocks. The edge of the triggerguard rubs a blister onto my middle finger quickly. A Dremel with a smooth bullet-stone bit and a piece round backer with 1000 grit wet-dry and all is good.

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Glad to see that you were able to find a solution and make that sweet S&W .45 Colt fit a little bit better for you. :D

Stay safe.
 
The New Service bites me hard with the original grips, I can only shoot a few before it gets too much.
 
The New Service bites me hard with the original grips, I can only shoot a few before it gets too much.
I had problem with 44 magnum Redhawk, 7.5", factory wooden grips. Just 3-4 dozens of something like 250 SWC at 1100-1150 fps, and I've got blister on the web between thumb and indexing finger. Similar load from 44 Bisley, 7.5"; 70 rounds; nothing, I could go all day long. Redhawk is now gone, and Bisley is a keeper.
 
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