Ridiculous gun shop owner... the sequel

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STAGE 2

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So in my continuing search to find a gun shop that will actually honor the law and accept a firearm from an out of state private party (at the time of this typing my crisis has been resolved) I was graciously directed by some of the members here to a little gunshop in MiddleofNowhere, TX. Since this place was an hour away from where I live, so I decided the prudent thing would be to call the shop and actually find out if they will do the transaction.

Well, I call the shop and an elderly gentlment answers the phone. I explain to him my situation and specifically ask him whether or not he is willing to accept a transfer for a rifle from a private party in NY. He tells me that its not a problem, quotes me a price and gives me the hours of the shop. Oh happy day I thought. Not so.

The following day I was able to rearrange my schedule and make the drive. I finally made it to the town where the gunshop was located, which literally consisted of a single intersection. I walk in and notice that there isn't anyone in the store or behind the counter. I thought that was kinda wierd since there really wasn't anything stopping me from taking anything I wanted. So I walk up to the counter and ring the bell and wait.

And wait.

And wait.

And wait.

After about 6 or 7 minutes, I give a holler into the back room and ask if there is anybody there. A voice from the back responds "I heard ya with the bell the first time". Alright, things are now getting really wierd. A sixty something "old timer" with the requisite faded john deere cap, flannel shirt and wranglers walks out from the back room, wiping his mouth with a napkin. I chalked this up to the small town "customer service"... kind of annoying but oh well.

So I explain to the guy that I'm trying to do a transfer and I hand him the address and info. He looks at it, starts shaking his head and says "nah uh, we don't do that". To make matters worse he starts to walk back toward the back room.

Now before I go on, let me clarify something. I understand that a person can run his own shop the way that they want. Its perfectly within their rights to have great or poor customer service. However, there is place where poor customer service ends and personal insults begin. I might be kind of old fashioned, but you don't turn your back on someone when they are talking to you. I don't care how old, intelligent, or wise you think you are, thats something you don't do...

...and thats something that this guy did. Before he reached the door I raised my voice and told him that I wasn't finished. He turned around and told me that he didn't care. He then went on to explain that he wouldn't have anything to do with either California or New York. This was his reasoning and I quote, "Those states aren't part of America and they don't honor federal law, so I don't do business with them."

A 10 minute yelling match ensued where we went back and forth. I was really more pissed about making the useless drive than I was about his redneck backwoods reasoning.

Aside from dealing with a total ass, there is a bigger picture here. While I understand that these states have whacked laws (I should know, I'm from CA) that definiately run afoul of the 2nd amendment, by refusing to do business with private people from these states, all you are doing is screwing the people that actually care about gun rights and could possibly do some change. Sticking your head in the sand does nothing but allow the other side to dig in further.

Like I said, a shop owner should run his shop his way, but don't sit there an say that you do your part to support gun rights when you have written those off who are fighting for theirs.
 
Have you tried to use the 'find a Transfer Agent' feature of Auction Arms? There are lots of folks out there that'll take your $20 in exchange for a legal transfer, you know....
 
I don't really care about his opinion of NY or cali, but if they told you they would do it and then backed out, that kind of sucks. Is there some sort of problem/issue with this tranfer that you left out?

A number of people around Houston do tranfers and gun shows, but don't have storefronts. There is a guy near Weimar like that.
 
Two years ago a gun shop in Derry carded me when I tried to buy some S&B .303. I asked if I really looked like I could be 17 and the clerk said yes. I asked him how many felonious teenagers preferred Enfield rifles and he told me to show some ID or get out. So I did. There's no point in getting into a peeing contest in another man's latrine.
 
That reads like you were there to argue rather than buy ammo. How hard is it to show some ID and get what you want?
SatCong
 
Well, because I'm obviously over 18 and I've never been carded for ammo before or since. I suppose the old gent could have been hard of seeing.
 
MechAg94 said:
Is there some sort of problem/issue with this tranfer that you left out?


Nope. I clearly explained to him on the phone that I was trying to buy a rifle from a private citizen in NY.

What really irks me is that this place seemed like just a one man operation, and he sounded like the guy I talked to on the phone.
 
well, you could post the name of the place

and none of us would be likely to do business with him. "Course, if he is as far off the beaten path as it sounds, none of us may be in proximity anyway...
 
"Those states aren't part of America and they don't honor federal law, so I don't do business with them."

Wow. Someone finally says something like that, like people around here moan about no one having the balls to do, and then they complain that they aren't doing something the law allows them to do, because it is affecting them.

The guy was an ass, though, to tell you that he would do it over the phone, then tell you he wouldn't after you got there.
 
Sorry to hear your waste of time STAGE2, some small shop owners have major bad attitudes and that's why I long ago decided to order as much as I can from the internet for less money and no tax! If a business has no loyalty, why should we? I get the same thing from some gun shops here too, with as few shooters as there are, you think they'd go overboard being nice, not so. I use Tee Dee rifle range here on Long Island for all my transfers, they are great guys and never screw you. I wish the range was for rifles and not just handguns, I'd use them all the time. Bruce is one of the owners and knows how to do business, any Long Islanders take note if you have an out of state transfer.
 
"Those states aren't part of America and they don't honor federal law, so I don't do business with them."

:D LOL :D

I feel sorry for the poster, and the abject RUDEness of the proprietor is not easily excused, but damn... I gotta applaud the proprietor's convictions and wilingness to stand by his convictions even if he loses some dough on it.

I speak as a California native who lives in the hardcore part of Fensteingrad.
 
If he does not deal with California or New York I sure hope he does not reload or sell reloading products. Two of the industry's best are from those states. RCBS is based out of California and Redding is out of New York.
 
I have dealt with that guy in Heidenheimer before. Kinda squirrely. Walked into the store, got almost the same treatment STAGE 2 did, walked out.

Your money is like your backside, it is portable :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
CGofMP said:
:D LOL :D

I feel sorry for the poster, and the abject RUDEness of the proprietor is not easily excused, but damn... I gotta applaud the proprietor's convictions and wilingness to stand by his convictions even if he loses some dough on it.

I speak as a California native who lives in the hardcore part of Fensteingrad.


I understand that he is standing by his convictions, but his convictions are only supporting the people that don't want to see guns in the hands of law abiding citizens in those two states.

Like I said, theres a fine line between being an activist and sticking your head in the sand.
 
Stage2, are you sure that it was A & C? Archie's been on my site for well over a year, and I've talked to him many times. He doesn't fit the description.

I called him about this, and emailed him a link to the thread. I hope he'll reply with his side of the story.
 
I don't think Stage2's problem is with the guy being unwilling to deal with NY and CA. Seems to me he's ticked off (and rightfully so) that the guy told him over the phone he would do the transfer, then after Stage2 drove an hour to get there the guy welched on the deal. I'd be pretty ticked off, too. I certainly respect the guy's right to not deal with places or businesses or people who offend his sense of what's right -- but if you tell someone you'll do the deal, then DO THE DEAL, DAMMIT!
 
Hawkmoon said:
I don't think Stage2's problem is with the guy being unwilling to deal with NY and CA. Seems to me he's ticked off (and rightfully so) that the guy told him over the phone he would do the transfer, then after Stage2 drove an hour to get there the guy welched on the deal. I'd be pretty ticked off, too. I certainly respect the guy's right to not deal with places or businesses or people who offend his sense of what's right -- but if you tell someone you'll do the deal, then DO THE DEAL, DAMMIT!


Well yes and no. I'll admit that the drive really had me PO'ed but as someone who is from California, I really do have a feeling that gun owners from other states have written us off.

I see a distinction between something like this where it was just private citizens, and something like Barrett refusing to do any more business with a state agency.

The only way that people from CA and NY are gonna get their rights back is at the ballot box. In order to do that there needs to be a substantial amount of gun owning voters. By making life miserable for people in those states all they do is give extra incentive for people to leave, and is exactly what Feinstein and company want.
 
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