Rifled chamber adapters

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I'm mulling over getting some rifled chamber or sub-caliber adapters mostly for shotguns, but maybe for rifles as well. I'd like to know for the shotgun adapters if the rifled adapters are that much more accurate than the smoothbore adapters and if they are, does the 8 inch long adapter outperform the 5 inch? Obviously it will have more velocity, but my focus is on accuracy and range.

How repeatable is the accuracy? I don't expect 3 MOA with the adapters, but if it's something crazy like 20 MOA I don't think I'm going to bother with them, at least not the rifled adapters.
 
The only chamber adaptor I've had was a 7.62 x 54R to 32 H&R Mag / 32 S&W Long / 32 ACP. I shot all of the above cartridges, multiple brands, bullets (wadcutters, round nose, semi-wadcutters, full metal jacket, hollow point). None grouped better than 6 inches at 10 yards. It was fun for the novelty of having a Mosin that kicked like an air rifle but useless for anything else.
 
The two things I think of that would cause such extremely poor accuracy is that the .32 pistol bullets and ammo are meant for short barrels, not rifles of 20+ inch barrels with rifling meant for 7.62x54R.

The shotgun adapters have bores machined for the particular pistol ammunition and the barrels are much shorter.
 
"I'm mulling over getting some rifled chamber or sub-caliber adapters mostly for shotguns, but maybe for rifles as well. I'd like to know for the shotgun adapters if the rifled adapters are that much more accurate than the smoothbore adapters and if they are, does the 8 inch long adapter outperform the 5 inch? Obviously it will have more velocity, but my focus is on accuracy and range."


accuracy should be minute of barn at ten feet....
 
I wanted to get adapters for my single-shot 20 gauge, figured it'd make it more useful than it has been, but every time I investigate it seems they're not accurate. I ultimately gave up on the idea. I have no idea why they wouldn't be accurate, so maybe I just get unlucky and keep reading the same poor reviews...
 
I've read the same things, some claiming that they can't hit a barn from 30 yards away then I see someone like Zombies.R.Us using a .17 HMR adapter and a red dot sight and hitting a 2 liter bottle at 200 yards.
 
Bullets fire from adaptors can hit the broad side of a barn. However, you have to be very lucky to buy a commercial one that is going to have anything near the accuracy of the gun without the adaptor. The reason is because the adaptor comes in and out of the chamber every round and the location isn't repeatable. Just two causes of variation:

Adaptor OD to Bore ID:
Chambers have tolerances and min and a max diameter. In order for a commercially made adaptor to fit any gun the outer diameter of the adaptor has to be made smaller than the minimum diameter of the chamber. That means in most guns the adaptor will be too loose. To fix this problem adaptor manufacturers machine grooves for O-rings that take up the extra gap and keep the adaptor from rattling around in the chamber. However, relying on uniformly compressing an o-ring is not a repeatable way to locate something. So every time the adaptor comes out of the gun to remove the spent case and then is reload into the chamber with a new cartridge it is in a little bit different position. This throws of the point of aim.

Adaptor Bore to OD of Adaptor:
Then you have the variations in the actual bore of the adaptor. No machinist can get the bore of the adaptor exactly inline with the outer diameter of the adaptor. This misalignment causes the point of aim to vary as you spin the adaptor.

Add these two causes of variation up and you get large groups.

There are some companies that specialize in making adaptors custom fit to a gun. This takes lots of hand fitting so these adaptors cost hundreds or thousands of dollars. Generally they are used in very high end shotguns so that the owner can fire various gauge shells in his gun that he spent thousands of dollars having a custom stock fitted to his every wish. Someone that spends tens of thousands on a gun doesn't blink about spending a grand to get subgauge adaptors for his gun. (www.briley.com has customer subgauge tubes for $695 for one gauge or $1895 for a set of 3 (20, 28, 410))
 
I recently chambered a section of a 9mm barrel I had left over from another project for .357 mag and turned it to fit a 20 ga barrel on one of my savage 24's, it shoots 2" at 25 yds with cast 158 grain loads. Better than I thought it would but I don't have any other adapters to judge it by.

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^ That's not bad... $150 for an 18" adapter.

If only they offered a 12 gauge to .308 adapter I'd seriously consider contacting them about purchasing one. Then, on top of the .308 adapter, I could also get a .30 Carbine and .32 H&R adapter and shoot those in the .308 adapter INSIDE the 12 gauge!!!

THINK OF THE SAVINGS!
 
I recently chambered a section of a 9mm barrel I had left over from another project for .357 mag and turned it to fit a 20 ga barrel on one of my savage 24's, it shoots 2" at 25 yds with cast 158 grain loads. Better than I thought it would but I don't have any other adapters to judge it by.

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This is what I am going to do with a 7.62x39 barrel blank I have if I can ever find a nice single shot shotgun. Having a lathe makes it easy. Finding nice guns for projects for reasonable prices is the problem.
 
"If only they offered a 12 gauge to .308 adapter I'd seriously consider contacting them about purchasing one. Then, on top of the .308 adapter, I could also get a .30 Carbine and .32 H&R adapter and shoot those in the .308 adapter INSIDE the 12 gauge!!!"

sounds like you are on your way to a "jack of all trades"..."master of none" type of gun
 
I always felt if I needed to go from 12 GA to 20 GA or to .410 then a chamber adapter would be a marginal thing to get. The rifled one for a shotgun would be, in my way of thinking not worth it for reasons pointed out above. For not much more you could get a rifled barrel to make onto a single shot shotgun reciever similar to the Handi Rifle barrels. Just saying.:scrutiny:
 
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