Robbery with a jammed gun

[45_auto]

For everyone who likes to carry their semi-auto chamber empty, check out how this robber's gun jams (but no one seems to notice) as he racks it to rob a Jimmy Johns sub shop.

About 35 seconds into the video he does a poor job racking the slide (holds it back then pushes it forward instead of letting it go) and the round fails to chamber, slide is held back. He probably doesn't have any problems chambering a round when he's not under pressure.

Would have been real interesting for him if the clerk had noticed it and pulled out his own gun!

 

[MedWheeler]

I just read a story on that that included pics, but not video. I was reading it on my phone, so the pic wasn't that big, but I did indeed notice that the slide didn't seem to be fully in battery. Even if the employee hadn't been armed, but had had at least some training, it would have been a good disarm opportunity. However, he and his coworkers would have had to be ready for whatever came next.

 

[Speedo66]

Clerk looked very laid back, I have a feeling it was not the first time it happened. I had a case once with a Chinese food delivery guy in the Bronx, said he'd been robbed so many times he didn't remember this particular perp.

 

[Good Ol' Boy]

Well I think this is a prime example of "dumb" criminals.

I'm completely amazed no one realized it was jammed.

Glad no one got hurt.

 

[Vonderek]

Guy looked pretty big and aggressive while cashier looked small and laid back. Gun out of battery is still a 2lb steel club. Cashier did the smart thing. It would be stupid to fight back and risk serious injury or death to protect someone else's money.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Here in Texas were lots of people pack, pointing a jammed gun at counter help with people around (who could be packing) is just asking to be shot.

Deaf

 

[HB]

Agreed with op's point that a unchambered gun for sd is not the best idea... however engaging the criminal is even dumber.

Let him keep the $500 in the register. Pulling a gun on a drawn gun is stupid unless he's going to take you to the cooler to kill you.

Your lawyer/headache is going to cost a lot more than $500

 

[Panzerschwein]

I could not believe how non nonchalant the cashier was. He even made a basket at the end of the video with his gloves! I think he did the right thing, handled it smoothly.

 

[armoredman]

Calm cool and collected...that guy needs a job as a First Responder.

 

[Jim NE]

I'm also impressed with the cashier. I almost wonder if he didn't recognize that the robber's gun was jammed, and was contemplating not cooperating because the bad guy couldn't shoot with a jammed gun. They probably have a policy of handing over the money at JJ's in sit's like this, though.

Some guns just will not chamber with a slow rack. They need a slingshot rack.

I hope the robber enjoys his $40 of drugs and malt liquor before he goes to jail for three years. Because that would make the prison time all worth it.

 

[Jim K]

I rankles, but almost all of those stores have the same policy - give 'em the money, don't try to resist. As an ex-deputy, the idea goes against the grain, but I really don't want to be in a store where some trigger happy teenager is going to play fast draw with an armed thug. The situation where the bad guy murders the whole staff is so rare that many more lives would be lost if the burger flippers were toting Glocks.

Jim

 

[ray15]

I rankles, but almost all of those stores have the same policy - give 'em the money, don't try to resist. As an ex-deputy, the idea goes against the grain, but I really don't want to be in a store where some trigger happy teenager is going to play fast draw with an armed thug. The situation where the bad guy murders the whole staff is so rare that many more lives would be lost if the burger flippers were toting Glocks.

Hard to say. I don't want to start giving people guns because they got a job as a cashier, but I also don't like denying them to right to protect themselves. Maybe if word got around you could get killed holding up a Jimmy Johns the number of stick-ups might decrease.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

It's possible the clerk was so calm because he saw the gun was jammed and knew he wasn't going to be shot unless that changed. In the video it seems like he looked down at the jammed gun but I can't be sure.

 

[Leanwolf]

Guy looked pretty big and aggressive while cashier looked small and laid back. Gun out of battery is still a 2lb steel club. Cashier did the smart thing. It would be stupid to fight back and risk serious injury or death to protect someone else's money.

I agree.

L.W.

 

[CapnMac]

Let him keep the $500 in the register.

It's Jimmy John's--they don't even use a $357 till--due left probably with less than a c-note.

Cashier was so calm, he offred the till to the bg, who seemed to ignore a few twenties in there.

One thing that makes me wonder, is just who is to the left of the cashier that the bg interacts with.--bystander being an ecellent reason to not aggravate bg any.

I'm not sure I wouldn't have flinched when bg almost poked the cashier in the eye with the jammed gun.

Anyone get a good look at whatever that was that was shiny on the muzzle? Looked a bit like a decal like this thing was stolen in it's box, unsold, from some place (which might also eplain the jamb--trying to get a 9x19 or 9x18 into a .380 would be a problem).

 

[22250Rem]

I'd almost bet that clerk has been robbed before, to me it looked like he'd "been there; done that" ..... I just can't believe that robber went through that whole thing with that gun in that condition. How could he not notice that?... Or else; if he were familiar with his gun he could have known it didn't go into battery just by feel when he racked the slide, without even seeing it. Also makes me wonder if he were under the influence of drugs or something at the time. Lots of crimes get committed by drug addicts.

 

[sgt127]

He didn't notice or care that it was out of battery.
A: He likely just stole the gun and is not familiar with it.
B: it's just as likely to be a 9mm with a mag of .40's in it as anything. It's just whatever he laid his hands on. Before the robbery.
C: in his primordial brain, he has a gun in his hand. That's all he needs. He points gun, acts tough, people hand over money.
D: he was too big to fight.
E: He needed, and deserved, a hole poked in him.
F: that stupid apron would really mess up my appendix draw.

 

[Infidel]

Anyone get a good look at whatever that was that was shiny on the muzzle? Looked a bit like a decal like this thing was stolen in it's box, unsold, from some place (which might also eplain the jamb--trying to get a 9x19 or 9x18 into a .380 would be a problem).

That's the barrel. The slide is stuck halfway between rear stop and battery, and the muzzle of the barrel is sticking out, still tilted. When he first pulls the pistol out of his pocket, the slide is in battery, but it gets jammed when he racks it.

 

[Deaf Smith]

That's the barrel. The slide is stuck halfway between rear stop and battery, and the muzzle of the barrel is sticking out, still tilted. When he first pulls the pistol out of his pocket, the slide is in battery, but it gets jammed when he racks it.

And that gives you a hint of why lots of people don't like chamber empty carry. A misstep in chambering a round will give you that kind of jam.

Deaf

 

[mbok1947]

I share Jim's concern with the almost universal practice by retailers of imposing "give it up" policies in robbery cases. Unfortunately it sends a message to thugs saying basically "free money, come on in!"

I don't know if there have been any studies on this, but my own experience in about 11 years as a crime reporter in the 1970s was that when robbery victims were armed and did draw and resist, most of the time the robbers were caught completely off guard and could not react quickly enough. In a number of cases the robbers ran frantically away, and if they fired it was pretty much "spray and pray" and hit no one. In fact I covered three or four cases a year where store owners or employees blew them away, even drawing or retrieving their weapons from under the counter against a drawn gun. Thugs just don't often think anyone will fail to quiver and weep in the face of their bullyish tactics.

Conversely, I do not recall a case where the victim was known to have resisted with a gun, only to be killed. The cases where the victims were killed were pretty much uniformly when they were unarmed and apparently complied with all demands, only to be marched into the back room (in one case a meat locker) and assassinated.

This is of course not scientific, but my overall impression (reinforced by the video of this doofus aiming an out-of-battery pistol) is that thugs are usually not very proficient with firearms. I also recall a few where they jammed their guns down in the waistbands and blew their weenies off, dropped them on the way out and otherwise showed that they were barely competent to walk and chew gum simultaneously.

This is not to minimize the threat posed by any armed thug, but the things I saw told me that they are usually pretty inept. Faced with an armed robber I would weigh the odds very carefully, but I do know that if someone aimed a disabled pistol at me as in this video he would receive a metallic deposit that would not be redeemable at any bank.

 

[Mayvik]

D: he was too big to fight.

No such thing. Little guys beat the snot out of big guys all the time. Lotta big guys rely on their size for intimidation and don't have much practice fighting. Crazy beats size most times.

I'd bet a $5 Slim that kid jumped the counter with a bread knife or started smacking him upside the head with the credit card reader, that big dude would have realize his gun was broke and beat feet.

 

[Varminterror]

I've seen this video time after time, from the KS CCW instructor network, Facebook instructor groups, countless forums, etc etc...

Too many folks have been criticizing the cashier for not recognizing the pistol was out of battery... Let someone walk into your house and put a barrel in your face, then be the one to instantly recognize whether it's ready to rock or not.

Equally, say that tiny dude refused, it only gives the shooter more time to rectify his jam.

Then of course, the option of the kid behind the counter drawing on a drawn, albeit jammed, pistol in his face. Sure, if he really felt the need to put his coworkers and customers at risk, violate his company training, all for the couple hundred bucks in cash in the drawer which his company has trained him is worth less than his life to them, and certainly worth less to him than the burden of taking someone else's life. He WAS, however, smart enough to offer him the entire drawer, which usually has a die pack integrated in most chain stores these days.

So what I see is an employee keeping his head and doing exactly as he was trained.

Flame on.