Looks like our resident Ruger hater is hard at work again.
Yup, Ruger nailed it with this one!!! Everyone wants a ccw that weighs 36oz's and has adjustable sights.
I guess people would want them for woods carry. But I'd much rather have the s&w Model 69 combat magnum chambered in 44mag.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-69-combat-magnum
It's the same basic firearm as the gp100. The big differences are the gp100 & the s&w are:
L-frame is stronger
gp weighs 36oz vs 69 weighs 34.5oz
gp 3" bbl vs 69 2 3/4" bbl
The huge difference is 44spl vs 44mag.
I'd rather stick with my 22oz ca bulldog chambered in 44spl rather than switch to the 36oz gp100. The bulldog will do everything the gp100 can do and is darn near 1 # lighter.
I'd rather go with the s&w 69 combat magnum than the gp100 for a woods/carry revolver. Last I knew I could either leave the 44mags hot or download the 44mags to whatever level I want. But I can only load the 44spl's up so far. Couple that with better sights and a better trigger.
The S&W 69 Combat Magnum is several pay grades above the under powered gp100. That's pretty good considering ruger lists the gp100 @ $829 vs the 69 combat magnum @ $849.
I'd love to know how you came up with the idea that the L-frame is stronger. Most authorities would disagree.
The fact that S&W offers the 69 in .44Mag should be kept in perspective. Ruger has always wanted a significant safety margin. While S&W has been producing .44Mag's of marginal strength for 60yrs. If the .44Mag was a good idea in the GP, custom gunsmiths would've been building them that way. The custom GP's that have been built have been five-shot .44Spl's but safe for the 1200fps Keith load.
Jeff Quinn said his hit the scale at 34oz so weight is a moot point. It's rare that advertised weights are 100% accurate. Another moot point if you've been around the block a time or two.
The Bulldog is a great lightweight carry gun but it will NOT do everything a GP will do. The Bulldog should be relegated to factory loads only. The GP has enough reserve strength to push it harder. The GP will survive a steady diet of those loads. Let's not pretend that the Bulldog is even in the same ballpark.
I'm assuming ruger knows how to weigh something, they posted 36oz on their website. If ruger can't even print the specs on a new firearm correctly, wrong sorta makes you wonder what else is wrong???
Gimme a break. Most manufacturers use nominal weights and don't weigh every single model and variation.
I simply choose not to turn a blind eye simply because of a brand name. I absolutely did not see that S&W made a revolver that extremely close to the gp100 and automatically decide I'm buy the S&W. Unlike other people, I'm not firearm bias and will actually do head to head comparisons with different firearms. This is exactly what I did with the gp100 vs S&W 69 Combat Magnum.
Do you really expect us to believe that nonsense??? Ruger has been the target of your derision at every opportunity. You weren't going to buy one regardless of configuration or chambering.
A lot of people only use factory ammo for their ccw's (something about lawyers). All's 1 has to do is look around at the factory offerings & they will quickly realize that buffalo bore is the only game in town for the 44spl @ $1.50 a round and limited to 3 different bullet designs with 2 of them being in the 180gr/190gr range. Of they can opt for the bb anti-personal 200gr wc for $2.00 apiece. At the end of the day it's hard not to find a $.70 a round 44mag that doesn't perform to those bb "hot/heavy" 44spl loads. If you load your own 44spl's you still aren't going to get anywhere near the versatility of loading your own 44mags.
For those that keep saying there's nothing wrong with a 250gr bullet going 900fps in a 44spl, please tell me where I can buy that ammo at??? O my bad, you have to reload it!!! Well you can easily find 100+ different factory made 44mag offerings that will have a 240gr/250gr bullet doing around 900fps. All's anyone has to do is look at the cowboy action ammo. And all of the factory 44mag 240gr loads will easily do 900fps+ out of the short bbl's.What makes anyone think they can't load a 44mag down to any 44spl is beyond me. The other side of the coin is that you will never be able to load a 44spl up to even middle of the road 44mag loads. At the end of the day 44spl vs 44mag makes the 44spl look like a 1 legged man in a butt kicking contest.
More nonsense. Nobody is going to do enough shooting with big bore revolvers to become proficient without reloading. Further, very, very few non-handloaders are going to get into the .44Spl. For those of us who do, your rhetoric is irrelevant.
I'd love for you to list those 900fps .44Mag loads. You can't, they don't exist.
Too many judge the .44Mag by current 240gr at 1200fps loads. That is NOT a proper .44Mag load. That is a heavy .44Spl load and one that can be fired in the GP. A .44Mag load would be 1400fps. A .44Mag load is a 355gr at 1250fps. A load that is too long for the 69's cylinder. You're not really getting a full strength, fully capable .44Mag with the 69.
It comes down to 44spl vs 44mag. As for the reasons stated above, ammo selection would make my choice for me.
If the GP is strong enough for a 250gr at 1200fps and the 69's cylinder won't allow any more than that, what are you really gaining with the 69? I'll tell you. You're gaining an internal lock, MIM innards, a two piece barrel that can only be serviced by S&W and questionable longevity.
But I also like to look at something other than the ruger logo when I'm trying to decide what to carry, the gp100 or the S&W 69 Combat Magnum...... I guess if your a ruger fan the gp100/44spl is good enough.
Where are these blindly loyal Ruger fans you're referring to???
Anyway, I'm not trying to talk anyone out of buying a gp100. I'm sure picking a gp100 over a S&W 69 Combat Magnum makes sense to some people. Things like:
Saving $75, right now gp100's can be found for around $600 and the S&W 69's for $675. You might be outgunned but you saved $75.
If you like using inferior calibers that have limited ammo selections at the store then the gp100 is for you.
If you like making poor choices with firearms that your life depends on, look no further than the gp100.
I can absolutely see loyal ruger fans wanting a gp100. I can see buying a gp100 for a range toy. Anything else the gp100 is easily outgunned by the S&W 69 Combat Magnum.
I hope the people that want a gp100 in 44spl buy's as many as they can. I hope all the gp100/44psl owners enjoy your range toy/toys. The only thing I see is ruger fans turning a blind eye to everything else that means anything other than the fact is that they are ruger fans.
At the end of the day there's nothing that a gp100 can do that the S&W 69 Combat Magnum can't do better. You want to be under gunned, buy the gp100. You want to drop down/lower yourself the gp100 levels, buy the s&w 69 Combat Magnum. You want to easily rise above the capabilities of the gp100, buy a S&W 69 Combat Magnum.
Congratulations, I now consider you merely a troll.