Ruger Mark II/III Auto .22LRs...The Perfect Kit Gun?

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Okay, I have to admit having a "thing" about the Ruger Standard Autos and their various iterations. They're shamelessly inexpensive (or at least they were), come with two magazines, something Beretta doesn't even do, are utterly reliable, well built and durable, plus they're cheap to shoot.

Years ago I recall reading that because of the trade sanctions against Rhodesia and South Africa, many outdoorsmen in both countries were buying Rugers, particularly the autos. The reason? Not being able to get parts for gun repair, they needed guns that didn't break down or require repair. And Rugers were the logical answer. Regardless of the politics, these little autos were chugging along for years without needing repairs or parts replacements. Also, the way the Ruger autos furiously spit out both bullets and empty cases, is likely to give even stupid criminals cause for reconsideration.

I'd be interested in hearing your experiences with these guns. Do you like the short barrel, bull barrel or tapered target barrel? Do you prefer the standard model or the .22/45 configuration? Do you like the blue or stainless finish or, for some reason, do you detest the gun? (Does it look too much like a Luger?)

Finally, on your ranking of all your handguns, is the Ruger at the top of your list or at the bottom? I've heard many people say if they could only have one handgun, one of the Ruger .22 autoloaders would be it.

What are your thoughts?

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The reviews for the Ruger autos have been sensational
from the beginning. In fact, many people cite the Ruger
as the primary reason other nice .22LR pistols, like the
High Standard and the Browning go down the tubes.



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As far as survival guns go, the Ruger autoloader is robust,
easy to field strip and puts out incredible firepower. Yet its
size is about the same as Ruger's single action Single-Six.



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I've heard people say that the Ruger looks very much like a
Luger, and for that reason they either like the gun or they'll
take a pass.
 
I just bought a stainless MkII Standard last December(to replace a slab-side MkII Competition Model I foolishly sold years ago), and I've been firing a box of .22 through the gun every weekday after work since the start of the year. At this point, after 2000+/- rounds fired, I can now keep about 35 of 40 shots on an 3"X5" index card at 20 yards.

To my mind, the 4" taper-barreled stainless fixed-sight MkII Standard with is not just the perfect "kit gun," it's a perfect teaching handgun for novices. It has everything an instructor needs in a gun to teach shooting to beginners - good clean sight picture, crisp trigger, moderate weight, minimal recoil, plentiful easy-loading magazines, cheap ammo, rust-resistance, and stone-cold reliability. A MAJOR advantage over some competing designs is that the Ruger MkII can be dry-fired without damaging either the firing pin or the chamber - in fact, the owner's manual itself RECOMMENDS that you dry-fire the gun on an empty chamber before storing the gun in order to remove tension on the mainspring.

Although the adjustable-sighted bull-barrel models balance and hang well for experienced target shooters, my old Competition MkII was too heavy, large, and visually intimidating for some novice ladies - the shorter length and more moderate weight of my MkII Standard, on the other hand, has not yet occasioned complaints from any novices I've allowed to handle it.

Also, I've lately been on a "back to the future" kick where I have come to appreciate and actively seek out classic firearm designs, and the MkII Standard is an absolutely timeless design, both mechanically and aesthetically.
 
I have a Mark II 22/45 with 4 inch bull barrel, and I think it combines the best features of both the standard and bull barrel guns. It's quite light (comparable to the standard models), and has all the "accuracy" I need, plus the adjustable sights. Also love the fact that all the controls and grip angles are very similar to 1911.

I also have a Mark II Government. While it is more "accurate" it's also very heavy. Most women who tried both seem to prefer the lighter 22/45.
 
Oh and both of mine are blued guns. While I have not had any issues with rust or corrosion, I own other guns in stainless, and would've preferred stainless. Got them both used for really good prices, so I can't really complain, though.
 
I absolutely love my MKIII 22/45. Its blued, 5-1/2 inch Bull Barrel. Plenty accurate, never had a jam, failure to fire or failure to eject that wasn't caused my a misfiring remington golden bullet... (Only twice have I had to manually eject a dud round.)
 
I have a MK II Standard Anniversary model, a 4 in. 22/45 bull barrel and a 5.5 in Bull Barrel. I bought the 22/45 for field use as its light witht the polymer frame but still very accurate with bull barrel and adjustable sights. I haven't shot the Standard yet but probably will soon. The 5.5 in. bull barrel is very accurate and I have modified it with Volquartsen trigger, hammer and sear. They are wonderful guns and the only gun in which I have three variations of. I think the MK III is somewhat of an abomination with the lawyer stuff they added, but there are still pleny of MK II's around to buy new and used.
 
A 5 1/2" 22/45 was my first firearm. I still shoot it the most. It's a very good gun, I wish the frame was made of steel though.
 
These are all great comments. And I didn't know that dry firing the gun didn't harm the pistol. Very nice to know.

My own experience with teaching others how to shoot is that I've had ladies who instinctively withdraw at the mere sight of a revolver fall hopelessly in love with the small stainless Ruger pistol. If you start people out shooting this excellent gun, it's not long before their confidence soars and they want to try something bigger and with more recoil. Why? Who knows? On one occasion I let a petite lady friend start out with this gun and within an hour she had gone from it to a .38 and then to a .357. Initially she didn't want anything to do with the "police" gun, but the little Ruger won her over.

It's strange, but I've had women go "oooh" and "awww" over this gun from the time I took it out of a pouch. My mother, who's in her late 70s, refers to it as "that pretty gun."

Bill Ruger did well to be proud of it. When I look at the old 1953 ads and see the same familiar lines I know today, it makes me appreciate its design even more.

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The 1953 ad shows just how little the gun has changed.



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I personally think they're pretty ugly and opted for a Single Six for my Ruger made .22 needs. No denying it's a very successful design though.
 
While I do love me some MKII Rugers, I don't believe they are a good kit gun. They are simply too large. I know, I know.... the old S&W revolvers were bigger. Yeah... we used to have clean air too, so what?

To be a kit gun, i.e. something of being easily packable without a holster, not worry about scratching or rusting I have found a couple of better options. The Ruger New Bearcat in stainless or (I can't believe I am saying this) The Walther P22 - EXCEPT that mine has the worst trigger of any handgun I have ever owned, so I don't carry it.

BUT... if yours does, it's just right... very small, very light, no worries about conditions and reasonably accurate. Either that or carry a Single Six or MKII on your hip and forget the whole Kit Gun thing.
 
Well, no one really wants to scratch up any gun, but if you're going to do it, the Ruger Standard ought to take it as well as any other. They called the Smith 63 a "kit gun," but for the price, a person would have to be nuts to throw it in a tackle box.

Yeah, I know kit guns refer primarily to guns that pack away in tackle kits, but in this day and age, they probably ought to be thought of as something you can throw in a bug-out bag or an emergency kit. The Standard Auto seems better suited for this than many revolvers.
 
Not sure

I'm not sure if they're the perfect "kit" gun or not, but they have been around for almost sixty years with very few minor changes to the basic design.

They're heavy enough to absorb virtually all recoil, and they're good shooters right out of the box, and you can either leave them that way or customize them to make them even better. I like them.

And I guess Rugers like me too. My 1958 Standard model is the only one of four Rugers I have that I actually purchased. The other three were all given to me. :D
 
I straight up LOVE the MkII, and have said so many times on this, and other, forums.

I prefer a bull barrel, simply because I like the extra heft. I have owned two so equipped, one blue and one stainless. The blue one was traded to my dad for the stainless, who then sold it to my buddy, who then gave it to his dad. There was nothing wrong with the blued version, it's just that I prefer the stainless is all. I also currently own a blued standard version. It functions fine, although I am thinking that at some point I would like to buy a 8.5 TacSol upper for it. The long barrel just seems like it would be fun to shoot!

I definitely prefer the MkII over the MkIII. The heelclip magazine doesn't bother me in the least, and I like that there is no mag disconnect. Past that, I don't have any particular problems with the MkIII, I guess.

As far as a kit gun goes, my stainless version has accompanied me fishing several times with no ill effect. I honestly prefer a revolver as a woods gun, but if your thing is the MkII, there isn't any reason why you shouldn't carry it.
 
Eh, I had two 22/45's. They didn't do anything for me. I like my Kadet a lot better.

I would probably like the standard Ruger's, except that grip angle is so darn weird.
 
Confederate

Sorry to disagree with your selection, but I think I have the "Perfect Semi-Auto .22LR Kit Gun".
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bannockburn,

Those are nice too! :cool:

No stainless model and parts are a little harder to come by though.

It looks like Ruger does not make the MKIII678 or MKIII6 in stainless according to their website. That's a shame, the 6 & 7/8" tapered target and 6" standard barrel were my two favorite models with the MKII.
 
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I'm going to go the other way on this subject. A friend of mine has an older S&W .22 kit gun that's very nice and I like the Ruger Standard pistols too, but I personally would rather have a longer barrel with adj sights for any outdoor activity. Plain truth is, I just can 't shoot the smaller/ shorter guns very well. Carried in a holster the longer ones are not really that much trouble.

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I love my Ruger Mk III 22/45. I have plans for a can in the next year or so.

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Here is a picture of 150 rounds at 10 yards shot as fast as I could get the mags loaded.

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How accurate are those TacSol uppers, really? Like with one of the longer ones, what kind of 25 yard accuracy are you guys getting?
 
I enjoy my Rug, lost count of ammo through it already.

That Beretta loooooooks sweeeeeet!
What Beretta is it?

Parts? Shoot it till it breaks.
 
I love my Ruger Mark III Competition Target.....talk about a tac driver.....especially with a 2lb trigger.

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Mines a blue MkIII 22/45 with a 6" bull barrel. Great little gun. I shoot it at least as much as I do my buckmark slabside.

The short pencil barrel model always looked strange to me, and the all steel model is too heavy. To each their own, I guess.

Didn't someone say it was easy to field strip? You're must not be the same as mine!
 
I love them, too. It would be the gun I shot the most if it were easier to disassemble.
 
I own the MKII Target 6 7/8" tapered bbl. Shoots like a short bbl rifle. I had a fly wheel as a target painted white so you could see it , tied to a tree, used to sit in the back of my pickup rest the pistol between my knees , and watch the impact of the round when it hit the dirt, got to where I could walk the rounds onto the target and listen to the flywheel ring. I know some of the shots had to be 300yds or more! After you got the dope right , that took about 75 80 rnds ,then you could really make that thing ring like a bell.

I would sure like to lay my hands on a used bull bbl model, just like the heft and forward balance point on that one.

I got a scope on the pistol now and can bounce golf balls at 50 yds shooting of a bag. Wanting to try it on squirrels this season!
 
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