traveler106
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After doing a fair amount of research I had my heart set on purchasing a Ruger SR45 pistol until I found out that it is not on the roster of approved handguns in California. Can anyone suggest a viable alternative?
Ruger SR45 viable alternative
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JR47
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Ruger, when faced with the latest idiocy in the state of California's legislature, has publicly announced that they will no longer manufacture guns for sale to the California market. With the current law, the certifications are expensive, and time limited. When they run out, Ruger will NOT be renewing them. I'm also thinking that multiple other manufacturers, faced with the uncertainty of micro-stamping technology, will also not be renewing certifications.
Now, if the companies would also refuse to sell non-certified guns to State of California LEO and Security, or repair parts, (they, of course, get an exemption) the legislature might just find themselves "explaining" why they did this. Ronnie Barrett has the right idea.
Now, if the companies would also refuse to sell non-certified guns to State of California LEO and Security, or repair parts, (they, of course, get an exemption) the legislature might just find themselves "explaining" why they did this. Ronnie Barrett has the right idea.
traveler106
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Thanks, JR47, but you can discuss the politics elsewhere.
About the SR45, all of the reviews I read about it were good, my first firearm was a Ruger and my father and I own several Rugers, so I know that they're good-quality firearms, and I liked the price.
About the SR45, all of the reviews I read about it were good, my first firearm was a Ruger and my father and I own several Rugers, so I know that they're good-quality firearms, and I liked the price.
JTQ
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ugaarguy's question is still key for us to help you.
What is it about the Ruger SR45 you like? What is the key feature, or features, that make you like the Ruger? Beyond of course, that it is a Ruger.
herrwalther
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In the same realm of .45ACP firearms on the list you have some options I did not expect to find. Most 1911s are on the list, G21, G30, G36, XD45, Sig 220 (although would be nice if the 227 made the list). If Ruger is your brand of choice the 345 series is still on the list.
Well if I couldn't own my SR45 it would be replaced with a glock 21/30s or m&p45/45c with no sleep lost. These are all really good guns. Xdm 45c would also make the list as a possible replacement as it's the only xd series of guns that interest me
45_auto
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I would suggest STARTING your research with the list of handguns that your masters approve for your use.
If a specific gun is not on the list, no use wasting any further time on it.
Many of us are not familiar with what is approved for you, possibly you could streamline your selection by listing particular handguns that ARE approved and that you may be interested in.
fastbolt
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If I couldn't buy a M&P 45/45c (no longer on the approved roster), my next choice would be a Glock G30SF, or even a G30/G30OD, or the larger G21SF, G21/G21OD (if the standard non-SF models fit your hand/finger reach), followed by a HK USP 45 compact (usually quite pricey).
Metal-framed .45 pistols would open up the field quite a bit.
Just depends what you want and why you want it.
Metal-framed .45 pistols would open up the field quite a bit.
Just depends what you want and why you want it.
F-111 John
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Here is the list of approved guns. The list may be sorted according to make, model, caliber, or type (pistol or revolver.)
Note the expiration date in the last column, and hurry before the pistol you want expires. In order to be renewed and returned to the list, all pistols must meet the microstamping law, so you will see all the pistols fall off the list within a year. Then all you'll have left to choose from will be revolvers or private sale of used guns.
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/
Note the expiration date in the last column, and hurry before the pistol you want expires. In order to be renewed and returned to the list, all pistols must meet the microstamping law, so you will see all the pistols fall off the list within a year. Then all you'll have left to choose from will be revolvers or private sale of used guns.
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/
F-111 John
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So far there isn't a single microstamping pistol on the CA list.
fastbolt
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Not quite.
Not unless the gun companies make significant enough changes to an existing models for them to become classified as a new model.
The rub (and disagreement) seems to be what sorts of design changes, improvements, revisions, etc may cause an existing/approved model to become different enough for it to be considered as becoming a "new model" from when it was originally approved.
For example, in the case of the CA compliant S&W SD & Shield models, the revisions and improvements planned for them had already been submitted, accepted and approved before the latest deadline, so they will remain on the list without having to meet the microstamping requirement for new models submitted after the deadline.
The rest of the M&P pistol line are in the process of receiving further improvements which would reportedly make them considered to be "new" models according to the state of CA, and would thus subject them to the microstamping requirement. They can't be renewed, and would have to be submitted for testing and approval under the new rules.
Lots of other existing pistol models for which no significant changes and revisions are planned by their manufacturers can also remain on the list, and be renewed, in their current form.
JR24
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Maybe Ruger will rip some of those safeties out in future generations of the product? I wouldn't mind my SR9/40c w/out the thumb and mag safeties.
Then again, I like them just fine with them.
Lucky Derby
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You could find a dealer that will do a single shot exemption. I don't know what part of the state you are in, but if you are in the Sacramento or Stockton areas, I would reccomend Wild Bills in Elk Grove.
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jjones45 said:
Ruger and S&W gave California a giant middle finger, figuratively speaking, when they passed the microstamping bill. Both companies said they would not ship new firearms to the state.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/2...ng-some-pistols-in-california-due-to-gun-law/
F-111 John said:
And there probably won't be for awhile. Microstamping is a technology that doesn't even exist, except in the minds of gun control politicians.
JWH321
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This all gets confusing to me -- what would happen if I were to move to California? Would I be allowed to keep my P938 and my M&P 9? Does it only affect sales of the non-approved guns, or does it also prohibit continued private ownership? What about those who already live in California and own a non-approved gun -- do they have to get rid of it?
I found the following which might answer your questions: http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Moving_to_California_with_firearmsJWH321 said:
traveler106
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Someone mentioned the single-shot exemption to me before, though I don't fully understand it. Wild Bill's is a bit of a drive for me (coming from Oakland), but might be worth a visit on my day off. Of course, if I do buy something there, I'll have to do the drive up again 11 days later.
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