Ruger SR9c

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Bluing is a passivation process in which steel is partially protected against rust, and is named after the blue-black appearance of the resulting protective finish. True gun bluing is an electrochemical conversion coating resulting from an oxidizing chemical reaction with iron on the surface selectively forming magnetite (Fe3O4), the black oxide of iron. Black oxide provides minimal protection against corrosion, unless also treated with a water-displacing oil to reduce wetting and galvanic action. A distinction can be made between traditional bluing and some other more modern black oxide coatings, although bluing is a subset of black oxide coatings.

Cold bluing is a controlled oxidation of ferrous metals similar to rust. Whether cold or hot blued, these metals should be treated with a wax, lacquer or water displacing oil to reduce exposure to corrosion causing moisture.

Would that, perhaps, help?

FYI, until after WWII's rebuilds, many 1911 pistols were blued. As was the Reising Carbine, a USMC only weapon, and the Model 1928 Thompson. The US carbine was also a blued gun. Many of the various S&W revolvers in stock during Vietnam were similarly blued steel.

The fact that parkerized surfaces worked better with a "little" oil only proves the point that they held the oil. That one can overdo application of oil is simply an American trait of "if a little is good, more is better".

The fact that in the white metals also have pores that allow oil to remain in them is well known. That doesn't say anything about the ability of bluing to hold oil, other than that it's a similar phenomena.

The fourth point has nothing to do with oiling a weapon to prevent corrosion. Nobody said anything about a heavy coating of oil. That has nothing to do with the bluing, or the base metal, being able to absorb, and hold oils to prevent corrosion.

And, put simply, you can't wipe it all off after you apply it. To get it all off you must use a solvent to strip the surface. This is true whether the surface is blued or unfinished. Otherwise an oil residue will continue to offer a thin chemical barrier and at least some protection.

If that were true, why bother with bluing, parkerizing, or any other finish? Metal is not an impermeable barrier. It has pores. Passivation creates a place in which a reservoir of oil can be held. It's not much, but it helps to hold oil in small quantities that will last longer than what is held in the bare metal pores.

It wasn't for beauty that Browning, and then Bluing, were created, and used, along with oils. It was simply to enhance the corrosion resistance on the metal.

A blued gun, treated with oil, will resist corrosion longer than an in the white piece of metal treated to a similar oiling. Rust will start at any point that the metal is exposed to oxygen. The bluing, in and of itself
is partially protected against rust
. If it didn't hold the oils called for, then it wouldn't protect against rusting.

a blued surface, because it has already a formed a rust barrier that, as it was formed, used up some of the chemical in the steel that would allow more aggressive types of rust to occur. It's a barrier, but not a perfect one.

That is actually quite close. However, bluing isn't capable of preventing rust by itself, as both of the citations explain. Instead, it holds the oils, preventing oxygen from gaining quick access to the metal, and forming rust.

Bluing is cheap, settled science, and is accepted by the consumer. There are multiple better coatings available, but they cost more, and add steps in addition to those of bluing. They may have environmental concerns in some cases. They can also cause tolerance stacking if applied too thickly.

You pays your money, and takes your pick.
 
I keep 8 in the mag.

I prefer 9 there, and
if the pressure goes up,
9 it will be ..

But with 8 on gen guard duty,
there's less pressure on springs.

At that state, I keep the safety off <red>
which allows me to rack it instantly if necessary --
--> which will result in raising the LCI <red>

I like this pistol.
It lays near where I sleep ..
 
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very interesting.

I carry a LC9Spro.

I carried a full size 1911 for about ten years, and saw no reason to think about changing.

But I gotta admit, it's a big chunk of steel and it wears on me, and my clothes, and the seat in my car, and everything else. I think it even makes my shoes wear crooked.

But I was dedicated to self defense and deemed it worth the effort.

Then, one day, I saw this Hickock 45 video.

The dude all but raved about this little bitty 9mm. And I watched him shoot it.

O.K., he's a handgun hero... but he was getting good hits, quickly, at longer ranges with this little bitty pistol and praising the crap out if it.

So, cut to the next gun show. I'm walking down the isle with some friends and I spot one. "There's that little bitty nine that was in the video" I say. "Isn't it cute?" (I wasn't impressed yet).

My buddy picks it up, and fell in love. 15 minutes later, he buys it.

And the next day, I shot it at the indoor range. WOW! O.K., now I'm impressed.

So at the next fat paycheck I bought one.

No regrets here.

It's little bitty, and light as a feather. It carries like a dream. Far less than half the weight of the 1911.

It fits my hand. I don't see how, because it's teeny tiny and skinny as a rail... But it fits my hand and points naturally.

And I shoot it every bit as good as I do my full size .45. That's amazing.

I carry it in a Blade Tech Kydex "In The Pants" concealment holster.

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It covers the trigger and retains it well.

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Yes, it lacks any sort of safety lever, but as long as it's in that holster it doesn't need any and when it's in my hand I am the safety. I'm good with that.

It operates just like a revolver. Pull pistol, pull trigger, bang.

It's fired maybe 500 rounds so far and zero issues. One time I made it lock the slide open in the middle of a magazine while I was experimenting with my grip, but that was obviously my fault and hasn't happened since.

It has excellent sights, and I think they are a big part of why it shoots like it does.

I'm a happy camper, and I'm loving this pistol. Like Hickock 45, I find myself raving about it.
 
I had an interesting time at the range yesterday with my brother and the SR9C. It had been a number of months since I had fired the SR9C and since using it last I had mounted a Crimson Trace CMR-206 on the rail and wanted to get the laser zeroed in. Bob has a MTM pistol support and I fired three shots at 7 yards to create a three shot group to aim at while he makes adjustments on the laser as I hold it on target. The three shots were quite a surprise in that two of the three were touching and the third made the group just under 1/2 inch center to center. Bob got the adjustments made and then I took the center out of my point of aim without the rest using the laser to aim with. I really expected some sort of learning curve with the laser, however, if there was one, it was really short. Then Bob fired the SR9C, he was skeptical as to whether he wanted to shoot it or not being striker fired. He has some nerve damage in his neck that makes him very sensitive to trigger pull length and peak effort needed to fire the pistol. After firing the SR9C he actually liked the trigger ... as do I. I did not expect the accuracy that it showed this morning, although I did see some video reviews before I acquired it that lead me to think it could be pretty good. So, in the end I am very pleased with the SR9C.
 
^ Two fine posts about the 9.

Glad you two -- and all others -- are here. :cool:

It's too close to the end of a very long day
for me to respond now.
But I'll be back.

9's are important.
This is but one of them.
____

Which leads to my next question:
If you weren't carrying/shooting an SR9c,
what would it be?

I love my 9c,
but am starting to search for
a pocket pistol in 9.

LC9 is the top pick for now,
but I'm open to suggestions.
 
But in general, it's gotten stellar reviews with no disturbing negatives.

Oh, look what I stumbled onto.

Yes, I have a Ruger SR9C, it has gone back to Ruger three times, and the end result... still the same issue I had when I sent it in the first time.

After about 50 rounds, light primer strikes... and they cant seem to fix it.

I am now carrying a Springfield XD Mod2 45, its actually smaller in length than the SR9C, just ever so slightly thicker in the grip.


I just won a Sig P938 on gunbroker for 590, handled one at the lgs and its freaking sweet, I pick it up Saturday.

For a small "Pocket" 9mm, A Kahr PM/MK 9, Ruger LC9, Sig P938, Keltec PF9, Kimber Solo (The solo only runs very specific ammo.)


Why do you want to start going to pocket carry? I reserve that for a last resort when I can't carry anything else, heck I will even sport a belly band before I go pocket.

Do you have another handgun other than an SR9C? Yes, the SR9C is a very thin double stack, one of the thinnest but it is still a double stack. Have you tried to carry a single stack? Both Glock and the Springfield XD line come in single stack variants and you would be amazed how much thinner and more comfortable and concealable a single stack is compared to a double stack. Just my 2 cents, pocket is carry is fine and all just slow draw and you loose a pocket, sometimes both if you have magazines in the opposite pocket.
 
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AStone

I looked at a lot of the pocket size 9mm.s and went with the Kahr CM9. Typically not a big fan of DAO triggers on semi-autos but the one on this gun was very smooth, much like the trigger on one of my J frame snubbies; maybe even a little smoother at that.
 
They are difficult to find right now, but, the S&W M&P Shield would be a good choice. I have shot my brother's and for $50 more than the standard model the Performance Center Shield has bi-color fiber optic sights, improved trigger and vented barrel. That is a lot of add on for fifty bucks!

He also has a Viridian red laser that is trigger guard mounted. This mount takes virtually no space from the trigger guard opening, it is easily adjustable and has a magnetic on/off so if you use the holster that comes with it you have instant on when you draw the weapon. He is very pleased with the pistol and the laser!
 
A stone, you are looking at the wrong gun.

The lc9 was hammer fired and as stated in your review it was hard to hit with.

The LC9S has no hammer and the striker fire system has an awesome trigger.
Look up Hickock45 on YouTube and watch his video on the LC9S PRO.

You will be impressed. I promise.

I wish you were around here, I would gladly let you shoot mine.
 
AStone said:
I don't have a holster

And there is another great topic for this thread. :)

If you intend to walk about in the world with a loaded gun, then you need a holster. PERIOD.

Attempting to just shove a handgun in your belt is dangerous and irresponsible. I have personally dropped and had them slide down inside my pants from that. It makes perfect sense that the moment you need your pistol might very well come just after somebody knocks the crap out of you, and if it's not where it was just before that impact you are screwed.

Here in Texas, it's written into the new Open Carry laws that a belt or shoulder holster is required.

So... (According to the laws where you are, of course) That leaves some options.

Leather or Kydex? Open or Concealed? Pancake or Belt Slide? Appendix or 4 O'clock? There's LOTS of choices and some of them flat-out will not work for you.

Here in Texas, this is legal.

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Because I have the License To Carry, I'm authorized to walk around in public just like that. (That's a pancake holster, worn at the 4 O'clock position)

There are times and places where that's cool, and I have done it under those circumstances- but most of the time I will pull my tee-shirt over the top of that holster and be a little less obvious. This is an extremely comfortable carry.

I normally use an "In The Pants" type concealed carry holster. And I like Kydex (Plastic).

I posted a picture earlier of that rig. It's fairly comfortable, but because it's inside the belt it's tighter and I feel it more when I bend or twist. It's also more concealed and pulled up tighter against my body for the same reason.

A good holster like the ones pictured costs about 100 bucks. It's worth it.

Not only does it guarantee that the pistol is safe and secure, but it also protects the gun from being damaged, and makes for a faster draw, and because you don't have to fiddle with it to keep it in place it's better concealed.

I Highly recommend that your thinking on a personal defense weapon includes consideration on where and how to holster said piece.

I'm not really an expert, but I've been carrying for a long time now and I will gladly share what experience I have.
 
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Been busy ... a professional thing.

On the way to a 6 figure budget for this year.

You understand.

Franki, this is primo. Thanko.

I'll be back .. just after
the next few days
on the way to .
 
I have a SR9c, owned it for two years...

Had problems with it when I first started shooting it. So much so, I could not carry it at all. Very frustrating. I was getting light primer strike after light primer strike. I have seen at least one other poster saying the same thing. Didnt matter, my reloads, factory ammo, what ever. light primer strikes. . . Sometimes as many as 4 per magazine.

Started watching YouTube videos to try and figure out how to get at the striker in the slide, but the guys doing the videos were struggling with getting it back together once disassembled so I put it off.

One day I mentioned it to a fellow at the LGS. He says dont take it apart, too much of a hassle. If you think it is gunked up, then spray brake cleaner into it. I did just that and a bunch of white gunk came out. Sprayed it down again and more white stuff everywhere. Maybe this is white lithium grease or something similar?

Anyway it seemed to work for me. I am down to about one light primer strike per 200 rounds or so. I might just hose it down some more. I carry it sometimes now too.
 
Frank said:
Watch this video. It's the LC9S PRO. (The gun I carry for self defense)
Even before I watched that one, I became a convert to the LC9s.

I'm likely to <choose one> sell, trade or consign my SR9c for an LC9s.
(Unless the annual budget turns out bigger than I expect; then maybe I'll keep both.)

The former fits my hand, and I handle it well. But it's a handful.

And it doesn't fit in my (Carhartt) vest pocket.

But I'll bet that LC9s will.

Isn't it interesting how our preference for handguns evolves?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcPiBAJPtWA
 
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The LC9s is pretty close to the size of the Kel-Tec PF9, and while you can fit either one into a pocket, getting them OUT of the pocket, quickly, if you need to, isn't a slam dunk.

If I were to get a LC9s, it would probably be carried in an IWB or Belt-Slide holster.
 
Astone, I have a Ruger lc9 which I have used for edc since they were introduced. I just went out and bought the sr9c and plan for it to become my EDC... Lc9 is small and I'll still carry it occasionally, but that's about all it has going for it imo. (Though mine is not the s version... I'm sure the new trigger mechanism is an improvement but that's not really saying much...)
 
Thanks, guys.

Walt, my LC9 will ride in a vest pocket (Carhartt) in the warm season,
and a coat pocket in winter. Big difference there from trouser pockets.

Up here, I wear that vest all seasons, under the coat in winter,
and often walk with hands in my pockets.

Those rounded corners make it easier to slip out of the pocket.

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