Running a deer ranch: Musings from a family run operation.

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We only have one hunt left on the schedule for this year, so I figured I'd take a bit of a recap of how things were by giving a bit of an inside peep into the behind the scenes magic workings on a deer ranch.


A little background first. We run just under 900 acres in Central Texas under high fence. I know I lost some of you right there because high fence hunting ain't real hunting or some such. Okay, got it thanks. The ranch is broken into roughly equal north and south sides with a creek running between the side. We split it because we got tired of the creek busting down our fencing during heavy rains, so now that portion through the middle is known as "No Mans Land" and is not part of the managed ranch. We started off running cattle, but when beef prices tanked about a decade ago in favor of dirt cheap South American beef (yeah, check out how "low" beef prices are now... geesh), we put up high fencing and sold the cows. The ranch is a family fun operation with my father-in-law living there full time and the rest of the family making trips from our various full time jobs to help him run it. During the off season, usually a family member a week keeps it running. During the hunting season, there's some pretty creative schedule management, vacation and sick leave usage going on in order to have enough people on hand. The operation is run to cater to a single hunting party at a time. We provide on site lodging, full meals and every hunter gets a personal guide. We don't mind if a hunter wants to bring his family to hang out at the lodge while they hunt. Our usual hunting package is three days and pricing is based on what animal you are looking for. We can't usually promise you a shot at any specific deer, but if you want a 170, we can promise you a shot at a 170. We have Whitetail Deer, Blackbuck Antelope and Corsican Rams on the ranch. We have had returning customers request an animal that we do not have on the ranch, and we will purchase that animal and let it free on the ranch, a year before you want to hunt it. Sorry, no letting one out of the cage for you to shoot. It will be wild by the time you hunt it. We actually have a pair of Scimitar Horned Oryx on the ranch because a hunter paid for us to buy them, then never came back to hunt them. We call them the ghosts since they only really get seen once or twice a month.

We operate under the TPWD MLDP 3 program. For the hunter, that means that you have to have a Texas hunting license, but you hunt on our tags not yours. So, the hunter gets to keep his tags to use somewhere else if they wish. For the ranch this means that we had to submit a formal wildlife management plan to the state and we work closely with a state biologist to make sure we aren't overpopulating or over harvesting the land. We have to provide the state with several things to keep the MLDP going, including deer population census. I don't know if you've ever tried to get deer to line up to be counted, but it's really not easy. Generally, there's more magic than science to it. We spend several days and nights over a weeks time counting all the deer we can find, then come up with a wibbly wobbly average. Of course there are deer we missed and ones we saw two or three times. It all comes out in the wash. Once we turn in our census, the biologist determines how many deer should be harvested to ensure a healthy population the next year and we get our tags issue for how many bucks and does we need to take that year. We also have to provide a list of vital data on every deer taken on the ranch under MLDP tags, so every deer taken gets weighed, aged and scored (bucks only obviously). Our deer don't jaw age right though so again there's a bit more magic than science here. Under this program, we can run hunts from pretty much the first of October right through the end of February. We really don't like booking any hunts that late though since some bucks are dropping their antlers and the last thing we want is someone thinking they are shooting at a doe and it's a buck without his antlers anymore.


Off season is all about keeping the deer fat happy and safe as well as getting the ranch back in working order for the next season. Usually once the season ends we will have a big pow wow to discuss what worked, what didn't work and what needs changing from top to bottom. Meals, accommodations, hunter scheduling transport, stand and feeder location... everything. One of the first things we will do is move any stands or feeders that we didn't like, so that the deer have the longest possible time to get used to the new locations. Once all the heavy equipment is moved around comes chainsaw time. There will be a couple of weeks while we cut back any brush that got out of control or cut new lanes that we want to make. We try to get that done before the snakes get too active. Nothing is quite as much fun as trying to cut out cedar branches and finding a rattler. After that, the rest of the off season is mostly keeping the feeders full and lots and lots of scouting. There are two methods we use to grow really big deer: 1) aggressively cull bad genetics from the herd. 2: Feed them until they pop. Deer that have food shortage when young will be stunted their whole life, which is partially responsible for the rumor that Texas deer are the size of greyhounds. We feed huge amounts of protein feed. About a ton a week. And that all has to go into the feeders one fifty pound bag at a time. There are all sorts of devices on the market that are supposed to make this job easier, and we've broken the vast majority of them at one time or another. We still haven't found anything that substantially improves on someone standing in the bed of a pickup truck and putting in one bag at a time. Corn is also a staple for our deer. We do it very similar, but without the bags. We tape up all the holes and gaps in the back of the pickup, drive it over to the mill and fill the entire bed with corn. Then the corn gets shoveled into the feeders. Special note, standing in a truck bed full of corn is like standing on a pile of ball bearings. You will bust you back end a couple of times until you figure out the secret ninja tricks.

After a fun couple of hours filling feeders, it's time for scouting work. We spend countless hours in stands watching deer through binoculars and spotting scopes, filming deer, taking pictures of deer and... reading kindles and books. By the time the season comes around we will pretty much know every deer on the ranch, where they like to be and what their habits are. Of course, right in the middle of the season we will see some buck that no one has ever seen on the ranch before. That's how it goes.

Once late August rolls around we start cleaning up the lodge and getting it ready for visitors again. Most people don't think of laundry, dusting and cleaning as staples of being a deer guide, but there it is. This is also when we start building our menu for the year. Well, there really isn't a menu as such since you get what we feed you, but there's shopping to be done. We build our meal plan off of things that we can cook quickly, feed a large group of people with and still fool you into thinking it's some fine dining. We serve two meals a day, breakfast and dinner. Lunch is self server from a well stocked assortment of sandwich makings and other things. We do lots of things like steaks, Cornish game hens, baked Mac N Cheese, stuffed baked potatoes and other "country" meals we can cook in large quantities on the grills. We also stock up on dozens of cases of bottle water, ice teams and sodas. Then we get out the chainsaw again and chop up enough wood to have a couple good Aggie bonfires.

Once hunting season starts, the crazy goes through the roof. The average day is 0430 to 2200. We have to be up earlier than the clients, usually slurp down a granola bar and energy drink then go wake up the clients. The goal is to be in the stands 45 minutes before light (not sunrise) so we do breakfast after the morning hunt. Coffee and snacks in the morning. We usually stay in the stands until about 0900 unless the client got his animal. One guide goes out with each hunter. Extra guides stay back and start prepping breakfast or hang out and wait for "The Call". If you get "The Call" the spare guides will hop in one of the mules to go recover the animal. Lot's of pictures get taken, lots of hands get shaken and backs thumped, then the spare guide loads the animal and takes it to the skinning shed while the guide that was with the hunter takes them to the lodge for breakfast. Breakfast usually consists of same variety of eggs to order, waffles, bacon or sausages. We make bacon that involves brown sugar and some other secret tasty elements that makes all the work worth it just for the bacon. The guide may also take the client back to hunting if that's what they wants. While they client and his guide are back hunting or eating breakfast the animal is being processed. There are some clients who prefer to come to the skinning shed and watch us process their animal. We're cool with that. We have clients who want to process their animal themselves. We're cool with that too. For most of our clients they want their animal caped and quartered, a process that for us involves a reciprocating saw and a couple cheap knives that are super shard but go dull after a handful of deer. We will also do just field dress and hang for clients that want that. Either way, when we are done everything gets hung in our cooler until the client is ready to depart. Usually there's a lul for the clients from about 12 to 3. Some nap, some watch football, some hunt right through the middle of the day. By about 3:30 we are getting loaded up to get back in the stands for round two, which goes pretty much like round 1, except with dinner and beer around the fire pit afterwards and the sun going down instead of up.

So, what do we do while guiding? It's not like wilderness guiding where I actually have to find the animals for you by tromping around miles and miles of no where. Heck you'll see plenty of deer and I'm going to drive you right up to the stand in my trusty mule. My job is to pick which stand on the ranch is most likely to give you a shot at the deer that you want to take. I'm also there to be your buddy 'ol pal, give you some helpful advice, shut the heck up or whatever it takes to make your hunting experience enjoyable.. Sneak a few cokes into the stand, give you some batteries, listen to you complain about your job.. I can do those. I'll tell you what the range is to all the likely spots you will see a deer. Heck, I'll tell you all the little nooks and crannies deer are likely to pop out of. Oh, and I am also there to make sure that you get the deer in the class you are paying for. Because, we are a business after all. We have all become experts at judging antler size on the hoof. If you want a 140, we will point out a 140 for you when he comes out. If a 150 comes out and you are giving him the hairy eyeball, I'll let you know he's a 150. I'll also let you know how much it costs to upgrade. Because I'm helpful like that. We don't do hog hunts, but if one walks out I will surely let you know that pigs and coyotes are free add-ons if you want to shoot them.

If everything goes to plan, the client gets their animal, gets some good grub and spends a couple nights living in our lodge. Of course, nature isn't that nice. We've had a real heavy windstorm at the very beginning of the year that blew every acorn out of the trees. The deer were so happy munching acorns they wouldn't come out of the woods for anything. Then there's ram hunting... Rams don't act like deer. Of the three animals types we have on the ranch, the rams are the least concerned with humans. If there is only one human on a mule, they just watch you drive around. Earlier this year, we had a television show that wanted to film a ram hunt, stalking... You pile up with two mules for of show host, cameraman, sound man, hunter, guide, etc etc and the rams vanish to the other side of the ranch saying "nope, nope, nope" the whole way across. Now that was a rough three days of hunting.


Various musings:

Predator control: One of the most vital things for running a successful game ranch is to keep predator pressure off the animals. We have been very successful using Conibear traps where we find digs under the fence line to keep our predator population very low. We run the traps every morning to clean anything out. Lesson #1 we learned, wait two days to reset a trap or you will catch a vulture. The smell of the dead animal seeps a bit into the dirt and will attract vultures if you don't give it a day or two to dissipate. We've tried predator calling but have only met with limited success mostly when they are in heat or just just had a pile of pups and are out looking for food.

A note on camouflage: We do almost all of hunting with clients out of box blinds. Camouflage really isn't necessary at all, but all the guides wear it. Why? Because the client expects it. We all have matching camouflage shirts with our names, the ranch name and logo embroidered on them. It's a business after all.

What guns do we use on the ranch? Ruger 10/22s and AR-15s of various stripes mostly. The 10/22s are for small varmints and animals in traps. The AR-15s usually ride on the front of the mule and are for coyotes, bobcats, feral dogs or cats and such things that don't belong on the ranch. For the end of the season doe cull I use a custom built AR-15 with a 26" barrel to head shot does. For normal deer hunting or hogs from a stand I use a Marlin .308 Express. When going after hogs in the heavy cedars I use a Marlin 1895G in .45-70. I almost always have a Blackhawk in .45 Colt with me, first chamber loaded with snake shot, everything else with Corbon.

What is in a guides bag: State secret. Just kidding. Since we are a relatively small ranch we don't carry some of the things you see in wilderness guides. I'm not worried about being stuck outside in a freak snow storm or some such. Mainly I pack my kit based on what the customer may need or have forgotten to bring. I have two or more of pretty much every battery type I've ever seen used in a flashlight, illuminated scope or rangefinder. No customer goes without because their battery died. I have a half dozen chem light in there. They are super handy for lots of things. I've got 50ft of 550 cord in there. I have 3 green caplights. One for me and two for forgetful customers. I've got a half dozen small zip cables like are used to bundle wires. Those are for attaching game tags and other things. I've got a Gopro and a small digital camcorder. An Outdoor Edge replaceable blade knife. A white flashlight. A pair of granola bars in case the customers tummy start rumbling in the field. A small trauma kit I put together from bits and peices. No one is allowed to die on me. There is a small self winding cloth tape measure for those guys who can't wait to get back to the skinning shed to know how big their buck was. Oh, the laser rangefinder and a water bottle. It all gets crammed in a sling pack. I hate standard backpacks. They are annoying to try to get anything out of when you really need it. This thing I can just spin around and dig around in. Much more handy.

I'll be back later with more random musings and maybe some pictures.
 
What part of central texas? I am in LLano and have good friends with some large ranches in the area.
 
Sounds like an interesting operation to me. A couple of questions. Do you occasionally add new stock? Some years ago I was looking on the net at sites that sold white tailed deer, it wasn't much different than looking at a bull catalog. Those bucks were impressive! And do you have a parasite program or do you let the animals sort out their natural immunity without your help? I was thinking if you fed them until they popped a parasite load might be eating up some of their growth.

Also I've read there are more black buck in the US instead of where they originally came from, I believe that was India.
 
I really enjoyed your write-up. I hunt a place between Llano and Brady in San Saba County, and we had a banner acorn crop as well. Deer still weren't coming to the feeders even two weeks ago; we've taken three, but we had to hunt the fields to get them. The game cams are starting to show some activity at the feeders now, so my son and I are heading up this weekend to finish up our tags with Does.

The yotes have really come on strong this year, so we have some serious predictor control to do in the off season. The first seven years I saw one yote, this year we've already seen a half dozen or more, all in broad daylight.

One of my friends runs a 1300 spread similar in operation to yours outside of Del Rio, and much of what you wrote reminds me of how he runs his place. He rotates through a number of guys from church to help him out; it is so much work they don't seem to stay with him more than a season or two. He occasionally lets me cull there for free; it was tempting seeing some of his monster bucks. That temptation went away quickly when he said I could shoot any 170 I wanted for $7,000. No thanks, I'm good......
 
mquail said:
Do you occasionally add new stock?

We did when we were first converting from cattle to deer under the mistaken belief that we could quickly improve the local genetics from the deer that ended up fenced in on the ranch, but we quickly discovered that it is not really worth the effort because the economics don't work out and no one told the deer the game plan. A lot of the deer breeding programs that popped up like mushrooms about a decade ago are gone now. It just doesn't work out economically when you are being asked to pay $2,500 to $5,000 (or more) for a buck yearling, which you really have no clue how it's going to develop beyond what it's parent looked like, and you have to invest the time and money to let grow on your ranch until it is 4 -5 years old before you sell it in a hunt. In the mean time there's a pretty good chance it ends up dead, because wild animals turn up dead from time to time. That's just what they do. Let me tell you, nothing kicks you in the gut like finding your super expensive imported tagged buck laying dead in a stock tank or under a cedar tree. Some ranches do AI or have on ranch breeding pens. From watching other operations, and dabbling a little bit in AI when we first started, we've seen that these things are more of a pain in the butt than they are worth it. AI puts a ton of stress on the deer, then often as not doesn't take. You just end up with super stressed out, non-pregnant does. It turns out that bucks have been does pregnant for thousands of years without ranchers around to help. Go figure.

We've found that the best thing we can do to improve the herd both in terms of genetics and overall population is two fold:

1) Be very aggressive about what we allow to breed. We keep a very close eye on bucks as they grow from year to year. We can usually tell you what a bucks rack looked like last year and the year before. If we have a buck that just isn't going to make something happen, he usually doesn't make it past his third year. You really can't tell what a buck is going to do his first year. Spikes will turn into monsters. By his second year, he should have some good branching going on. By three, we will have a pretty good idea of what he's going to do at four, five and six... which are generally the years they are hunted at.

For the does, if they stop breeding or can't keep their fawns alive, they don't stay alive.

So, over the years of we've ended up with a herd that has great fawn crops and produces great bucks.

In a couple years we will probably need to import some does just to keep the genetics from getting too inbred.

2) Maximize fawn population and survival. Does have lots and lots of twins. In fact, I would say that the majority of the time a doe will have twins. In normal situations though, the doe will usually lose one or both. That's where we step in. By providing great habitat, plenty of food, plenty of water and removing the predator pressure as much as possible, we maximize the fawn survival rate. Getting a doe to keep both of her twins is like getting free bonus deer on the ranch.


mquail said:
And do you have a parasite program or do you let the animals sort out their natural immunity without your help?

Outside of habitat creation, food, water and predator control, the animals are on their own.

Honestly, we've never had a problem with it on the ranch. We lose a deer or two every year to disease, but that's pretty much impossible to stop. When we hear of people that lose large numbers of deer to disease or parasites it's almost always someone running breeding pens with large numbers of deer in small confinements. We've noticed nasal bots and lung worms from time to time, but generally those aren't a concern.

AKElroy said:
The yotes have really come on strong this year..

Oh boy have they. This year we've taken several that we ran up on in the mule during the middle of the day. That almost never happens. Although, I must say, the surge in coyote population this year is great for the clients. They almost universally love it when we are sitting around the fire pit at night and you can here the coyotes howling back and forth to each other.


AKElroy said:
That temptation went away quickly when he said I could shoot any 170 I wanted for $7,000. No thanks, I'm good......

Our management bucks are the 140-150 range and usually go for $1,500 for a no frills, no meals, no lodging, come out and shoot a deer package. They get significantly more expensive from there on up. We had six 200+ bucks taken off the ranch this year, and each of them could have bought a cheap import car. In terms of business, those deer really pay for all the does ($200), bucks that don't even make it to management and lots and lots of various expenses that will never recoup their real investment cost. Our feed bill alone was close to $50K last year.
 
Thanks for taking the time to write and post. Very well written and interesting.

Laphroaig
 
I promised pictures, so let's get more visual and less wordy.

I mentioned earlier that we fill the corn feeders from a bulk load out of the bed of a truck..

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A little oil, a little heat and epic popcorn fun.

The five gallon home depot bucket is how we shovel it into the feeders. You get about 25 pounds of corn per bucket. That will wear you out pretty quickly. When the corn is still that deep it's pretty easy to stand in since the weight of the corn around you legs anchors you. When it gets down to only two or three inches left in the truck it is seriously the most slippery dangerous surface I have ever tried to stand on. The corn wants to kill you.

We still buy the normal 50lb bags of corn that you see in just about every sporting goods store around deer season, only we buy them cheaper and by the pallet directly from the mill. We pour those out into the five gallon bucks and use it to corn stands for hunters or make sour corn to lure out hogs.

Between the corn bags and the roughly ton of protein that comes out of 50lb bags each week, that is a whole heck of a lot of large paper bags and pull strings on the ranch. What do we do with them all?

Stage 1: They all go into a shed. Usually we end up with a pile of bags about the size of a full sized pickup truck before we can do anything with them.

Stage 2: Burn day. You have to be a bit careful when it's time to get the bags out of the shed since they are the perfect habitat for rats, snakes and all sorts of other little critters. Make lots of noise, kick the stack a few times and wear heavy gloves while grabbing a pile of bags.

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That's about four feet of wire enclosing burning bags. The kind of odd looking part on the left side that looks like the wire is coming unwrapped is a large square of wire that sits on the top to keep large burning pieces from being carried out by the hot air. It's flipped open in the picture to toss in another arm load of bags. That fire will be fed all day long. As you can see in the picture, grass burns off about a foot around the fire. This is only done on days that have very heavy dew, and we have a 700 gallon water tank with a hose and pump standing by just outside the picture in case the fire gets creative. If you do it right on a heavy dew day it takes quite a while for the fire to cook all the moisture out of the grass and burn it. It takes usually takes the fire about the first half hour to burn that ring in the grass.

We experimented for a while with using live traps to control the population of raccoons and possums around the modular home the guides live in. We keep a decent population of chickens there because fresh eggs are yummy and chickens are the worlds best garbage disposal for uneaten food. Instead of controlling the population of raccoons and possums, what we ended up with more often than not was this:

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Little idiotic feathered dinosaurs. I honestly don't think you can keep chickens alive for their full normal life span. I think they are programmed to commit suicide in inventive and creative ways. On the flip side though, their eggs completely destroy what you buy in a grocery store. If the chickens are being cooperative, we use their eggs in most of the breakfast dishes.


My trusty steed, a Kawasaki Mule 3010:

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This one is the oldest of the three Mules we use on the ranch. The other two are newer 4010 models, but I like this one the best. Stylish roof cover provided courtesy of a piece of plywood instead of the expensive molded plastic Kawasaki sells. This older model doesn't have fancy features that the newer ones do, like power steering or fuel injection, but in my opinion it's a more rugged machine. Once you get it started that is. On cold mornings, getting it running is more of a fine art than anything else. It doesn't go stupid fast like a Polaris RZR, but honestly, anything that appears to require helmets and safety strapping is probably going too fast to be tooling around on a deer ranch anyways.

That picture was taken during deer season when the guides almost never have our own rifles, so you can see that the front rifle rack is being used for handy storage. My pack is wrapped around the right side rifle mount and my binoculars are stuck in the left side one. Those things are just about custom made for holding a pair of binoculars. I use a pair of old Bushnell Powerview 10x50 that have a rubberized black and brown camo lining on them. Great optics at a very reasonable price. Unfortunately I don't think they make them that way anymore so when I need replacements it's probably time for the more expensive Nikons or Leupolds. I've added a couple of Mossy Oak Molle Grenade Pouches from Red Rock Outdoors to the strap of my bag. They aren't really Molle compliant at all since the cross straps are attached at the wrong intervals, so sorry Mossy Oak tactical ninjas. That said, they do attach quite well to my non-Molle bag and are the perfect size to stick my camcorder and rangefinder in.

On the hooks on the back you can see a pair of shooting sticks that we've unscrewed the rifle rests from. The screw is the same size as a tripod mount screw, so we screw our camcorders on them and use them to stabilize while filming deer or hunts.

Once upon a time the Mule was wearing some sort of camo pattern, but after years of the Texas sun it's pretty much a uniform lime sherbet green now.

Remember when I said the rams don't care about a single person on a mule?

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That's a cell phone picture. No zoom. They just walk right by you if you are in their way. It's like they can't rationalize a person on a motor vehicle is a person... on a motor vehicle. I get the feeling some times that they think the mule is some completely different type of animal that isn't any threat to them. Get two mules together in the same area or step off the mule and the game changes.
 
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I hunted a day lease back in the 60s out of Llano, Edgar James Moss ranch IIRC. Tons of deer up there, iddy biddy, but fantastic populations, whole herds at a time running around. I'll never forget that experience, but can't afford it anymore on a retired fixed income. Back then it was CHEAP even for a high school kid, but we were on a doe only hunt. One day, 20 bucks, got my doe and just loved sitting and watching stuff on that place. :D
 
Nice write up thanks do you have any pics of those 6 200 plus monsters if you don't mind me asking
 
Nice write up thanks do you have any pics of those 6 200 plus monsters if you don't mind me asking

I'll have to do some digging and photoshop out the faces of the innocent, but here's a picture of one of our guides with three racks that were taken on the same day in early October:

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We had to skull cap them because the particular location they were going home to prohibits the transport of deer brains.

617 inches between the three racks.
 
What kind of rams are those?

Up here in Colorado, we have critters are pretty similar, bighorn sheep.

I have concluded that they are some of the smartest animals there is. They will watch for cars to cross the highway and wait until its safe. When they're on the highway eating road salt, the bigger ones of the bunch will nudge the youngsters back over the white line if a car's coming.

If there's cattle grazing someplace that the sheep don't think they should be, the big rams will start a cattle drive keeping the herd in line.
 
Wow great write up! Love hearing about this stuff. Do you have enough of a pig population to ever have pig hunts in the off season?
 
Yup, you lost me right at the beginning because I have no personal use for visiting a high fence area. But let there be no mistake, I support what you do and "when in Rome..." Good luck with your operation, and it sounds like you offer a great service to hunters.
 
elkhunterCO said:
What kind of rams are those?

Those are Corsicans.

gonefishin1 said:
Do you have enough of a pig population to ever have pig hunts in the off season?

Not if we can help it.

We take the greatest care to make sure the game animals are taken in the quickest and most humane way possible. If we see a pig, we shoot it. Doesn't mater what we shoot it with or where the shot lands. Only have a .22 and you can only see the pigs butt sticking out of some shrubs? Shoot it. If the pig runs off and dies two days later, it's a good pig... A dead one. We eradicate hogs on the ranch with a single minded passion. They are amazingly destructive to the ecology and the animals. If you have pigs, you don't have ground nesting birds, your property gets torn up, the deer get run off the feeders, and everything is coated in a layer of mud up to about waist high from the hogs rubbing on it.... it's just a disaster.

To make maters worse, it's all but impossible to eliminate them completely. If you miss one pregnant sow, you missed everything. Give her a couple months and the population will be right back where it way. Giant angry tusked bunnies is what they are. And as if that didn't make things hard enough, other properties around us are mostly owned by absentee land owners who might come out to their ranch about once every two months and really don't do much of anything other than own the land. Their hogs are running rampant and out of control. Hundreds and hundreds of them. If they have hogs, we have hogs. The big ones push right under the high fence when the feeding or population pressure gets too high on neighboring properties. Trust me, it really really irks me when I'm near the edge of the property and can see giant herds of hogs on the neighbors land. I know that soon enough those will be our hogs too.

And make no mistake, hogs are smart. If a hog sees another hog in a trap, you are never going to trap that hog. A hog that is nearby when you shoot it's buddies isn't likely to come back to the same spot to be shot itself. After a while, all the hogs that haven't been killed are really well educated about not getting dead. If you want some adrenaline pumping fun, spend the middle of a warm summer day crawling around in thick cedars looking for the old smart hogs. Usually they like to sleep on slopes with heavy brush over looking water like a stock tank or stream. If you are good, you can creep up on them while they doze. There is nothing quite like the feeling you get when you stand up a hog ten feet away in thick cover and it lets out that pissed of angry squeal. I really don't recommend getting that close, but that's usually about the point you notice them and they notice you. If you come from down wind, you might get lucky and smell them before you see them. Gives you a bit more warning and less heart attack.

With hard work, we can keep the numbers back to a point that the hogs cause little damage, but the flip side is that there aren't nearly enough that you could sell a hunt for them since there is very little chance of actually seeing one. But as I said up the page, if a hunter does see one, it's a free add on. Please shoot it.


Ankeny said:
Yup, you lost me right at the beginning because I have no personal use for visiting a high fence area. But let there be no mistake, I support what you do and "when in Rome..."

To each their own and happy hunting to all. I don't want to try to promote one type of hunting over another, appear to be giving an add for the ranch or anything else besides pulling back the curtain a bit.
 
Interesting to see how you are doing things there and also all the comments from the other Texans about hunting in the state. One thing is for sure. Thank God I don't live there. If I did live there I'd move. OYE
 
My neighbor is high fencing 3.5 of his 7 acres To raise a few Black Buck ans hoping to talk the county into an ag exemption. I don't know if THAT will work, but hey, folks like Click here buy those things, no market other than game ranches for 'em, and they can make money on small acres. 3.5 acres here might hold one cow. :rolleyes:

There's lots of high fence around here and I think a lot of it raises animals for bigger ranches since much of the property I see fenced is under 50 acres. There are a few big ranches, one just outside Sheridan, that I know hunt 'em, seen the stands from the highway.

I have no interest in exotics or genetically manipulated expensive deer, I ain't rich, but I did go to a 700 acre ranch south of San Antonio once to shoot hogs. Place was ate up with 'em and it qas quite fun. They only cam out and roamed at or after dark, so kickin' 'em out of brush piles was big fun, still hunting IOW. It was a 100 lb or less pig cull, meat pigs, 3 day hunt for 3 pigs max. I quite enjoyed the experience vs stand hunting or night hunting 'em. I shot three that day and stayed in the ranch house, all for 180 bucks. Hard to beat that. :D

The guy there said they used the money they got off the little pig hunts to buy feed. It's expensive running a ranch like that, the high protein feed and such. I got no moral or ethical thing against it, just wouldn't care for the exotic hunts unless it was maybe Nilgai on the Kenedy or King ranch where the ranch is so bloomin' big, they don't need no high fences. :D I can't afford the deer hunting on those places, rather buy a new motorcycle with that kinda money. :D But, that pig hunting was WAY fun. :D Click might not have 'em, but there are high fence ranches around that do and sometimes they're dirt cheap hunts. Pigs over-run a place pretty fast.
 
OYE doesn't realize that a high fence is to keep other deer out, moreso than that ranch's deer in. Improved pasture is like taking out an ad saying, "Free Smorgasbord!" to deer on adjacent land. With the usual sheep/goat fence, you'd wind up overloaded with deer in a heartbeat.

Whitetail generally are "at home" in about a section of land. Open country, I still figure that a pasture of around 3,000 acres on up to 7,000 and even more are as "fair chase" and "free range" as Bambi would ever use.

My southeast pasture at Terlingua is about a hundred acres of mesquite thicket. The only way you could see a deer in that stuff is if he stood on his hind legs and waved at you. Shooting lanes? Yeah, every bit of ten to fifteen yards. Get low? Yeah, if you love prickly pear, dog cactus, tasajilla cactus and catclaw acacia. High fence, low fence, no le hace. You're not gonna find Bambi in that little patch.

The Texas brasada, the brush country, is a whole 'nother world from most anywhere else.
 
This is pretty interesting stuff. I’m not a deer hunter though while I was in college I shot a few on the property where we lived to help with the grocery bills. For the last couple of decades I’d been a bird hunter in South Dakota, left the deer shooting to my neighbors. The management of this deer herd sounds interesting and frustrating all at once, just like any other livestock operation I suppose. Keep up the posts! I wonder if you could get something going with your absentee neighbors concerning those hogs. I realize time is precious but you'd think someone you knew and trusted would be interested in shooting/trapping/etc. them.
 
ClickClickD'oh - Interesting and informative, nice thread. Shows just how difficult running a ranch, of any kind, can be. Like some others here, deer hunting and high fences are not me, but 900+ acres seems large enough for it.
 
OYE doesn't realize that a high fence is to keep other deer out, moreso than that ranch's deer in

Want to bet. That's not what I am referring to. What I am referring to is the lack of public ground for the common man to hunt (that's what I'm getting from the other posts). That's not where I want to live !!!!!! I'm glad you guys love it though !!! OYE
 
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