Russian Ammo Ban

[BreechFace]

I’ll buy those Saiga, Arsenal, Bulgarian, Serbian AKs everyone is talking about selling for a loss!

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

have you tried hand loading 7.62x54R? I have a bunch of brass, and I heard you can make some very accurate and consistent rounds for the 6’ long Mosin

Yeppers i load for my Mosin. I get about 6 inch groups with Speer bullets at 100 yards and the same groups with PPU factory ammo. For some reason it's a tack driver with the Tula ammo. I chalked it up to Russian gun likes Russian ammo. I have a UTG scout scope on it.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Yeppers i load for my Mosin. I get about 6 inch groups with Speer bullets at 100 yards and the same groups with PPU factory ammo. For some reason it's a tack driver with the Tula ammo. I chalked it up to Russian gun likes Russian ammo. I have a UTG scout scope on it.

that’s interesting, 6” is horrible

but, tack driver with Russian factory? Glade I got 4 spam cans for my Mosin!

 

[brunowbe]

IMO, this panic will amount to nothing.

Other manufacturers will ramp up production to fill the vacuum. Or Russian producers will set up operations in other countries. Wolf already manufactures in Taiwan. Red Army Standard has facilities in Ukraine, Romania, Poland, and Bosnia. And none of those countries are on this new ban or the State Dept list of proscribed countries

In the short term the only thing that's going to affect prices is the panic buying inspired by this nothing-burger of a ban.

Hopefully this is a best case scenario for most calibers. For 5.45x39 shooters, such as myself, it's likely the deathknell as no other countries really used it. I have a few thousand rounds with hopefully another thousand on the way (so long as my order doesn't get canceled). Once that's gone, who knows where it'll come from.

 

[22250Rem]

I've already predicted an increase in reloading die sales for the 7.62x 39 & 7.62x54R cartridges. I already reload for both of them.

 

[brewer12345]

These panics always amount to nothing.

Once the panic prices simmer down, there will likely still be a small bump in average price per round, but it won't be enough to sell off entire sks and ak collections.

Will be interesting to watch, for sure. Ammoseek crashed several times and whatever the lowest price offering in commie cartridges shows up on ammoseek has a website that is crashed or not accessible. Anybody's guess what the eventual outcome is (and all of these panics eventually end), but for now prices are moving up for anything where steel case was the cheapest option (to include western stuff like 223 and 9MM).

 

[vintovka]

that’s interesting, 6” is horrible

but, tack driver with Russian factory? Glade I got 4 spam cans for my Mosin!

Wonder what 440 spam cans will cost soon?

 

[JCooperfan1911]

I still got a pile of Russian steel ammo from a decade ago. It’s cheap and dirty, and I keep it for “just incase” . That’s it, I don’t shoot it, don’t like it. It just sits their. Will I sell it, No, it’s “just incase ammo”

my point is, who’s buying this stuff?

40% of all ammunition sales in the US are Russian sourced ammos.

 

[vintovka]

Was going to sell a bunch of steel cased russian cheep cause i thought no one wanted it. The idiot left may have done me a favor for once. Nothing like the hint of a shortage!!

 

[WiTom]

If panic has always amounted to nothing, I guess I am in the Twilight zone then, because all the panics that I have lived through, has cost me alot more, has affected the way I shoot and reload, and has affected shooting overall, Clinton, Sandyhook, Obama, this mess, all the same. I don't think betting on Taiwan is the most secure bet right now either, as if I were them, I would be collecting, instead of exporting, any ammo that they are making right now. Quite the world we live in now, never a dull moment. Steelcase ban will effect everything, as shorting anything, right now, will weigh on everything else, that's left.

 

[reddog81]

Russia imports some 40-45% of the US ammo supply and that supply just got obliterated with one stroke of the pen.

40% of the supply? It can’t be more than 5% of the ammo I see at the ranges or gun stores I visit. Where did that number come from?

 

[brunowbe]

Was going to sell a bunch of steel cased russian cheep cause i thought no one wanted it. The idiot left may have done me a favor for once. Nothing like the hint of a shortage!!

Dislike or thumbs down this post if I could. The idiot left does no one favors other than their own elites. Ammo shortages are not good for anyone.

 

[LiveLife]

Ammo shortages are not good for anyone.

Then ask yourself who benefited from previous ammo shortages?

 

[troy fairweather]

40% of the supply? It can’t be more than 5% of the ammo I see at the ranges or gun stores I visit. Where did that number come from?

yeah but guys buy one of two boxes of that ammo you ses, the steel case stuff most buy in bulk.

 

[brunowbe]

Then ask yourself who benefited from previous ammo shortages?

Ok, you got me. Let me rephrase. Ammo shortages are not good for us (US shooters).

 

[lsudave]

40% of the supply? It can’t be more than 5% of the ammo I see at the ranges or gun stores I visit. Where did that number come from?

It's way higher than that where I've looked.

Might be, current market share... used to be lower before the SHTF. Right now, I see a lot of steel 9mm and 223 for sale. Until yesterday, it's been close to half the price of the brass, so whoever is buying much, probably buys steel for now. I've seen steel 45 acp, haven't seen brass. If you are shooting and looking to keep levels up, steel was definitely the way to go. I saw a case of 223 for $325 about a month ago.

308; even today, looking online, new brass is $1 a rd, steel is less. 2 days ago it was 50 cents. The other 'cheaper' option is the surplus S&B, going somewhere around 60 cents a rd, but that is stated corrosive. So, guys shooting their PTRs, Cetmes, etc- steel is half the price and you don't have to windex/hot water it afterwards.

For the AK and SKS crowd (AKs being a sizeable group), steel has always been the plan. Heck, 7.62x39 Tula (Wolf etc) never went out of stock, never went over $400 during the panic. Last time I'd looked, it was back down to $270; as far back as I remember pre-panic prices were always about $200. That caliber had been practically immune to the panic. I have built a couple ARs in that caliber, for that very reason- the AR builds were around $400 or so, while the AKs have been over $800. It seemed to be the prudent thing to do.

 

[lsudave]

I doubt it will have any impact on ammunition supplies except the boards causing more panic buying. I expect that the only ammunition that will be "banned" for import into the US will be the stuff that's already prohibited. Wolf and others got around the earlier sanctions with their international manufacturing.

Whatever other countries Wolf is getting ammo from, I don't think they get in quantity (and as often) as they did the Russian stuff.

Ukraine and Taiwan have been mentioned; without getting TOO political here, I wouldn't count on either being guaranteed. Both countries probably value stockpiling, at this moment. Same political non-politics, don't expect actual Russian factories making official Russian calibers (7.62x39, etc) to relocate outside the motherland.

Serbian (PPU) will likely step into the void, but they make brass and price accordingly. Same thing goes for the Croatian and Polish stuff we've seen recently- cheaper than S&B or American stuff, maybe. But not dirt-cheap, nor do they need to be anymore.

Thankfully, PPU at least makes just about every caliber, and Fiocchi covers the rest. Between the two, we shouldn't see a forced caliber extermination... as long as we can get the imports...

 

[herrwalther]

Just when things were starting to look normal again. Politicians mess it up again.

 

[JTHunter]

Just when things were starting to look normal again. Politicians mess it up again.

Would you expect anything else?

 

[vintovka]

Dislike or thumbs down this post if I could. The idiot left does no one favors other than their own elites. Ammo shortages are not good for anyone.

Said in jest. The self serving left does no favors that a) do not benefit them and b) further weakens US rights.

 

[herrwalther]

Would you expect anything else?

I expect lots of things. Even wholly unrealistic things like world peace, cure for cancer in my lifetime, and anti-gun politicians not kicking the industry when it is down.

 

[John_R]

Might be, current market share... used to be lower before the SHTF. Right now, I see a lot of steel 9mm and 223 for sale. Until yesterday, it's been close to half the price of the brass, so whoever is buying much, probably buys steel for now. I've seen steel 45 acp, haven't seen brass. If you are shooting and looking to keep levels up, steel was definitely the way to go. I saw a case of 223 for $325 about a month ago.

Yes, here we are over a year into this shortage and US made handgun ammo STILL isn’t appearing on the shelves. Are people still blaming the early birds at Academy?

 

[Mark_Mark]

Was going to sell a bunch of steel cased russian cheep cause i thought no one wanted it. The idiot left may have done me a favor for once. Nothing like the hint of a shortage!!

I’m going to dump it too if the prices is worth dumping!

 

[JCooperfan1911]

Dislike or thumbs down this post if I could. The idiot left does no one favors other than their own elites. Ammo shortages are not good for anyone.

I agree.

 

[hso]

40% of all ammunition sales in the US are Russian sourced ammos.

Source?