S.F. sues online gun suppliers for selling illegal magazines

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I'm assuming that if these companies have to pay a $2,500 fine per order and this so-called assault weapons and high capacity magazines issues goes to SCOTUS and are found to be legal, these companies have no recourse in getting their money back?






http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...online-gun-suppliers-for-selling-10921014.php



S.F. sues online gun suppliers for selling illegal magazines

February 9, 2017

By Emily Green, San Francisco Chronicle


San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera sued five gun suppliers on Thursday, alleging they broke a state law banning the sale of high-capacity magazines by selling them in pieces and falsely marketing them as “repair kits.”

“These kits are not individual magazine parts to replace, say, a worn-out spring or a cracked baseplate in a lawfully possessed magazine,” the lawsuit says. “Purchasers can readily assemble the parts into brand-new, fully functional large-capacity magazines.”

Herrera asks the court to prohibit the companies from marketing or selling the repair kits or disassembled magazines to anyone in California, and for the companies to state in any advertising that such kits cannot be legally purchased in California. He also asks the court to fine the companies $2,500 in penalties for every sale and advertisement of the repair kits.



 
They picked small no name companies thinking they would not be able to mount sufficient legal defense. If SF wins this by essentially burying these companies in legal fees, precedent is then set in California to go after every online seller of these kits. Dangerous
 
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Gov Moonbeam has California in a Death spiral. California will have to ask the U.S. citizens to save their morally and financially bankrupt state. That will meet strong resistance.
California is going to experiment with Euro gun control. They will in time challenge the 2nd Amendment in the High Court. :eek:
 
They picked small no name companies thinking they would not be able to mount sufficient legal defense. If SF wins this by essentially burying these companies in legal fees, precedent is then set in California to go after every online seller of these kits. Dangerous


Youre right, but about 4 yrs late.

CA sued others into submission for the same exact thing back in 2013
http://www.sfcityattorney.org/2013/...repair-kits-intended-to-skirt-california-law/

Then they 'closed the loop hole' by creating a law saying no 'high-cap rebuild kits allowed' after it was settled.

Yes,,, thats right,,, they had no such law before they sued back in 2013 but that didn't stop them.
 
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When will the sane people in CA get together and vote these crazies out of power? I feel bad for our brethren on the left coast. I also hope the small companies that these leftists target can survive the attacks.
 
Does an online or mail order company have any obligation to follow the law of a city or state that they are not located in if that law is not the same where they are located?
I'm not a lawyer and have no idea, but it would seem to me that SF has no way to collect if they do get a judgement in a SF court.
 
What is it with densely populated areas that they seem to have a much higher % of brainwashed people who think the goverment is going to take care of
everything for them? They actually believe the government can control everything and they should control everything.
This has to be something with the large cities that impacts peoples brains ..perhaps?
 
While I don't believe at all in the constitutionality of any of California's gun laws personally, it seems pretty obvious the suppliers were simply trying to find a way around the law. And they got caught, so they will pay the price. It wasn't even very smart, at least one of the web sites instructed people there how to pick out the magazine they wanted then convert it to a parts kit.
 
What is it with densely populated areas that they seem to have a much higher % of brainwashed people who think the goverment is going to take care of
everything for them? They actually believe the government can control everything and they should control everything.
This has to be something with the large cities that impacts peoples brains ..perhaps?

Stupid attracts stupid like a magnet attracts iron filings.
 
San Francisco has long been the primary enemy of the RKBA in the state of CA, long before the rest of the state started to go downhill.

In the 1980s and before the state was actually quite conservative, but San Francisco has been nutty since the counter culture movement of the 1960s.
I believe a huge part of it is because it became a beacon for everything that didn't fit in elsewhere in the nation. From the minor to the really extreme beliefs and values. San Francisco attracted tons of people abandoning traditional values and was the primary place people could go and not be ostracized for it, and as such had a giant gaping lack of homogeneity. The result was a lot of problems that were not common in the rest of the nation. The solution? Endless laws to compensate.
They are anti-gun and have a culture of adding non stop regulation to solve problems. This has made it the third in lawyers per capita as well, behind only Washington D.C. and New York City. A city of lawyers to craft regulations and argue with regulations.
They actually voted to ban handguns in the city some years ago (overturned by the state) and the people of the city voted to make handguns illegal.
A huge excess of political power flows from San Francisco, it seems to get to speak for the entire Bay Area even though it has less than 1 million people, and most of it is so expensive it has long been gentrified so most low income criminals don't live in the area (Oakland next door is a whole different matter.)
My experience is that it has long wielded disproportionate power being almost equal to the level of Los Angeles, while being far smaller.

A lot of the top politicians including all of our recent senators (who are behind a lot of national anti-gun bills) in the US congress come from this disproportionately powerful city (Kamala Harris was the district attorney for San Francisco.)
Since the 1980s the state as a whole has shifted, but San Francisco has been the worst before Ronald Reagan was governor and the rest of the state knew it was quite different than most of the state.
Since then the mass influx of migrants has shifted the demographics and political field of all of California, and now San Francisco tries to take the lead in directing where the state goes.


Gov Moonbeam has California in a Death spiral.

Actually while he is not a huge RKBA supporter, he actually has vetoed a lot of the anti gun legislation that otherwise passed in California.
Some of the latest anti gun laws he signed last year he had previously vetoed a couple times.
He was actually holding back some of the tide, that is how bad the state is.
Only national level protections for the RKBA will protect Californians and keep California gun laws from setting a precedent for what is not considered a violation of the 2nd Amendment for the entire nation. Ignore CA at your own peril, it just make take another 20 years to reach you.
 
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Can they successfully sue out of state merchants?
Very likely.
My state put some satellite broadcasters - back in the day of the two meter dishes - out of business for transmitting pornography where we could receive it.
 
It's about high density cities. The mind of person who could live cheek by jowl with that many other folk less than a meter away (in any part of their life/routine) is a person who will vote for "control"...

Since they are cheek by jowl, they know they are easy mass targets and they know they can be a collateral casualty, so they ban stuff...

And since the Population Centers drive the voting demographic, the densely populated areas drive the "ban it" agenda... That's why big cities are mostly Democratic and rural areas and mostly Republican. It's the mindset of the citizens who live there.

I live in the County outside of even a modest small town. Guess what I am ...
 
What is it with densely populated areas that they seem to have a much higher % of brainwashed people who think the goverment is going to take care of
everything for them? They actually believe the government can control everything and they should control everything.
This has to be something with the large cities that impacts peoples brains ..perhaps?
Study B. F. Skinner's work with rats and overpopulation.
 
What is it with densely populated areas that they seem to have a much higher % of brainwashed people who think the goverment is going to take care of
everything for them? They actually believe the government can control everything and they should control everything.
This has to be something with the large cities that impacts peoples brains ..perhaps?

Well, when you put too many rats in a cage, their "social order" breaks down, too.
 
There is not enough sane people in CA :(

Recently read that 25% of the population in California is foreign born and that the majority population is Hispanic. Only the Police, Military and Drug Cartels have guns in Mexico. You would think given the Drug Cartel control of Mexican local, state, and National Governments, that the Hispanic population who crossed the border to the US would understand negative consequences after the civil population is disarmed. But, evidently not.

If California declares itself an independent country, it might be to the benefit of the rest of the US. Sometimes I wonder if Trump needs to put the wall between California, Nevada, Arizona all the way up to Oregon.
 
While I don't believe at all in the constitutionality of any of California's gun laws personally, it seems pretty obvious the suppliers were simply trying to find a way around the law. And they got caught, so they will pay the price. It wasn't even very smart, at least one of the web sites instructed people there how to pick out the magazine they wanted then convert it to a parts kit.

A law that is obviously invalid in that it blatantly infringes on people's 2nd Amendment rights. Nowhere in the law for magazine capacity did it say that spare magazine parts are illegal. Just more liberal BS from California.
 
It is probably not illegal, and people do in fact have to make compliant magazines out of parts especially for firearm models that don't come with magazines under 10 rounds.

But that is part of the game, suing people when you have plenty of money to punish those that have less money irregardless of the outcome. You create fear and make examples out of businesses that gets you want you want: businesses afraid to do that in the future.
With the possible outcome of some precedent that does make them illegal if a court says the right things.
 
when is the useless "right wing" going to sue the radicals? like the NRA they just sit around waiting to be attacked always on the defensive. look at the immigration suits being filed against trump. tons of lawsuits could have been filed against the previous administration for the crime, gang activity, stolen ID's etc committed by illegals. that is just one area. all I have ever saw the fake right wing do is to aid the left wing behind closed doors. trump has shown them all to be fakes including Reagan with his amnesty
 
A law that is obviously invalid in that it blatantly infringes on people's 2nd Amendment rights. Nowhere in the law for magazine capacity did it say that spare magazine parts are illegal. Just more liberal BS from California.


You must not be familiar with California AB48 that was singed in 2013 and went into effect 01-01-2014 and modified California PC 32311

http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml?summary=ab48&year=2013
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=32311

So far its held up to legal challenges so it might be inappropriate to say "A law that is obviously invalid in that it blatantly infringes on people's 2nd Amendment rights".
 
You must not be familiar with California AB48 that was singed in 2013 and went into effect 01-01-2014 and modified California PC 32311

http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml?summary=ab48&year=2013
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=32311

So far its held up to legal challenges so it might be inappropriate to say "A law that is obviously invalid in that it blatantly infringes on people's 2nd Amendment rights".

My thing is, if this company broke the law, then why aren't charges being filed? It would seem to be a simple matter of the state AG pressing charges
 
A big part of why we are going downhill is police exemptions, we don't force the police to speak out on behalf of lawful firearm ownership, including the types of firearms and magazines they all use, because they are exempted.
Legislators can claim these weapons are only good for mass murder, yet every patrol car has them and law enforcement would be making huge protests if subject to such restrictions.
 
A big part of why we are going downhill is police exemptions, we don't force the police to speak out on behalf of lawful firearm ownership, including the types of firearms and magazines they all use, because they are exempted.
Legislators can claim these weapons are only good for mass murder, yet every patrol car has them and law enforcement would be making huge protests if subject to such restrictions.
In NY state Cuomo banned almost all semi autos. nothing sickens me more then to see AR's and the rest of the banned rifles in a section that says... for law enforcement only
 
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