S & W 32 long CTG??

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You have an interesting revolver...

It is a Smith & Wesson .32 Safety Hammerless (New Departure) 3rd. Model

It was introduced in 1888 and continued in production until 1937. The 3rd. Model was the last, being made from 1900 to 1937, within a serial number range running from 170,000 to 242,981. I suspect your gun was made during the late 1920’s or early 30’s.

They no longer stamped the patent dates on the rib. Some, but not all were marked “Smith & Wesson, Springfield, Mass, U.S.A.” After May 1922 they added the “Made in U.S.A.” stamp on the right side of the frame. Shortly thereafter they also revised the design of the firing pin to prevent breakage.

Standard barrel lengths were 2” (scarce) 3 and 3 ½ inches, although lengths up to 6 inches are known.

The pearl stocks may be original, or aftermarket ones. Genuine S&W pearl grips had a trademark medallion inset at the top. Standard stocks were black hard-rubber, and any pearl stocks add to the value of the piece, but factory pearl is more substantial.

You may have noticed a bar or lever on the back of the handle. It’s a grip safety, and an exclusive Smith & Wesson feature. They claimed that it made the gun absolutely safe to carry in a pocket or purse, and could even prevent a small (very small) child from firing it because they didn’t have the hand span or strength to both depress the safety and pull the double-action trigger.

Given its period of manufacture it’s safe to shoot with current ammunition, which is expensive, but available. Smith & Wesson correctly claimed that it was much superior to a .25 caliber automatic (such as Colt made) and functionally equal to the .32 ACP.

One hint: Don't try to take it apart unless absolutely necessary. To remove the cylinder, open the barrel and while holding the latch forward and up, pull up on the cylinder while turning it counter-clockwise.
 
I just inherited S&W .32 long revolver and after reading this thread I will be getting it lettered, but I wanted to share what I have. I believe the gun was my great-grandfather's and he probably got it shortly after coming to America. I will try to post pictures after I get them off the camera, but here are the details:

SN: 49692 on 2 places (I forgot to check the cylinder, but I'm confident it's the same)
PAT'D: April 9, 1889; March ??, 1894; Aug. 4, 1896; Dec. 22, 1896; Oct. 8, 1901; Dec. 17, 1901; Sept. 2, 1902; July 7, 1903

3 1/4" barrel

I have the leather holder with a Moose's head on it, with the word "Moose" on the left and "Brand" on the right of the head. I also have an old box of ammo, but I keep forgetting to check for a date.

In my limited knowledge of guns, this gun seems to be in very nice condition.
 
Neat story... :)

Your Great-Grandpa had a Smith & Wesson .32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903 - 1st. Change. The 1st Change revolvers were made between 1904 and 1906, within a serial number range running from 19,426 to 51,126. It was obviously popular since they made 31,700 of them over a three year period. Serial number 49,692 was probably made in 1906, although it could have been assembled and/or shipped a bit later.

At the time, standard barrel lengths were 3 1/4, 4 1/4 and 6 inches. Buyers had a choice between blued or nickel plated finishes. On most the stocks were made of molded hard rubber and individually fitted to, and serial numbered to the gun. Be very careful of them, as age has made them brittle and subject to chipping and cracking.

And do get it lettered by Roy Jinks at Smith & Wesson. While we can give you a general overview, he will be able to provide the exact details as they are noted in the original shipping records. He would also be interested in the gun's history as you know it. ;)
 
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S&W 32 Long cgt.

Hello to all, am new in this forum and sorry for my bad English, im not a English native....
Have a .32 Smith & Wesson CTG revolver with a 6" barrel
The serial number inside is 305467
Any estimate on what year it may have been produced?
Am just looking for some more info.
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Welcome to The High Road. :)

You have a Smith & Wesson .32 Hand Ejector, 3rd. Model. These were made between 1917 and 1942, within a serial number range of 263,001 to 536,684. While I cannot date your revolver to the exact year, I suspect it was made during the early 1920's.

Standard barrel lengths were 3 1/4, 4 1/4 and 6 inches. The stocks were usually black, hard rubber - but in this case we see oversized checkered walnut stocks of the kind usually offered on target models, such as the .22.32 Target. They may have come on the gun, in which case they will have the revolver's serial number marked on the inside, or they may be later replacements.
 
Hi there. New to this forum, first time post. Great website.

My question is regarding my grandfathers gun, which I inherited some years ago. It is a Smith and Wesson, .32 Long CTG, 4 1/4" barrel, black plastic handgrips. Serial number is 174007, stamped on the bottom of the handle, underside of the barrel where the ejector pin is, and on the load side of the cylinder. There is also a four digit number (4076) stamped in two spots, the swing arm for the cylinder to the frame, and on the frame at the inside of where the swing arm stops when the cylinder is loaded into the frame. On the top side of the barrel read the patents:
Smith & Wesson Springfield, Mass. U.S.A.
Pat'd March 27 '94, Aug. 4 '96, Dec. 22 '96,
Oct. 8 '01, Dec. 17 '01, Feb. 6 '06, Sept. 14 '09

The gun seems to be in good working condition, though the finish is wearing off in some places. Attached is a picture.

Any history you could give is appreciated. What loads does this gun take? I've talked to some who've told me different things. I am under the impression it takes .32 S&W loads, but prefer your expert opinion. I am assuming the date of manufacture to be sometime between 1911 and 1917 based on some of the previous posts in this thread and the serial number of this particular piece.

Thanks.
 

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Welcome Aboard... :)

With such a complete description and picture we can't go wrong. :cool:

You have a Smith & Wesson .32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903, 5th Change.

5th Change revolvers were made between 1910 and 1917, within a serial number range of 102,501 to 263,000. I estimate your grandfather's gun was made around 1912. Standard finishes were full blue or nickel plate. The stocks are made of molded hard rubber rather then plastic, and if the are original to the gun you'll find the revolver's serial number scribed on the inside of one panel. Be careful, as they become brittle with age. The number 4076 is an assembly number, used to make sure fitted parts got back into the right gun.

It is chambered to use either .32 S&W or .32 S&W Long cartridges. The "long" is the better choice by far. If it is in good mechanical shape there is no reason you couldn't shoot it, and you'll likely find that it's exceptionally accurate.
 
I'm new to this forum so please forgive any faux pas.

Looking through the forum, I was impressed enough to join - I only belong to 3 forums and I've been an internet user for about 13 years.

I just "inherited" a pistol I know little about. It belonged to my grandfather but when my mother gave it to me a couple days ago, she didn't know any of it's history - so I need some help.

Anyway, here's the info on the pistol:
On the left side of the 3-1/4" barrel, it says "32 LONG CTG"

On the top of the barrel the patent info says:
"SMITH & WESSON SPRINGFIELD MASS. U.S.A.
PAT'D APRIL 9. 89. MARCH 27. 94. MAY 21. 95.
AUG. 4.1896. DEC 22.1896. OCT.4.1898
OCT.8.1901. DEC.17.1901. SEPT.2.1902."

On the bottom of the barrel, the serial number reads: "B 17697"

On the bottom of the grip, the serial number reads: "17697"

Inside the cylinder hinge, on the frame is the number: "16811" (That one confuses me. I thought it would be the same since it appears to be the same piece of metal as the butt with the other number.)

It has a round butt with black plastic S&W grips.

The plate on the right side has 4 screws and the S&W logo stamped on it.

There were six round nosed lead cartridges with it. They are apparently factory loads and on the bottom they read: "WRA 32 S&W LONG"

I'm going to try to upload a few photos (unfortunately they aren't all that good). You can see that while it wasn't mistreated, it also wasn't kept in "new" condition. It is a blue finish.

Any info would be greatly appreciated!
 

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Welcome to The High Road. I hope we can live up to your expectations. :)

You have posted an excellent description, which will make identification easy.

Your Grandfather's revolver is a Smith & Wesson .32 Hand Ejector, Model of 1903. This particular version was the first of its kind, and only made for two years (1903 -1904) in a serial number range running from 1 to 19,425. Additional versions continued on until 1942 when it was discontinued because of World War Two. Production was resumed after the war, and in various forms the revolver continued in production until 1976.

Your revolver has a pinned front sight blade, which apparently was only used on these 1903-1904 revolvers. Thereafter the sight blade was forged as part of the barrel. It may also have hardened steel inserts next to the cylinder stop notches in the cylinder to prevent the notches from being battered. If so, it was an exclusive S&W feature, and the inserts are so precisely fitted that it will take a very strong magnifying glass to see them. The hammer and trigger have chaffing bushings to prevent the casehardened finish from being rubbed. All of this represents a level of craftsmanship that was never equaled by any of the company’s competitors, nor in later S&W revolvers. In terms of workmanship, no revolver made today even comes close.

Those stocks are not plastic, but black hard-rubber. Be careful as they are fragile, but if you remove them you will find the serial number scribed on one panel because they were individually fitted to that particular frame.

The 16811 is an assembly number, unrelated to the serial number. You will find it stamped on the frame and yoke (the part the cylinder swings out on) and insures that these parts will get back together after they are blued or plated.

Regarding the cartridges, "WRA" stands for the Winchester Repeating Arms Co. that made them.

Given that this revolver has been passed down through the family, and hopefully will continue on, I suggest that you write the Smith & Wesson factory and obtain a historical letter. In exchange for a very reasonable search fee of $30.00 their in-house historian Roy G. Jinks will go back through the old records until he finds your gun. They you will receive a formal letter describing the general history of the model, followed by exact details about your revolver, as they are listed in the records. This usually includes the exact date it was shipped, and to what distributor or dealer. Additional information will be found at: (www.smith-wesson.com).
 
Thanks Old Fuff!
I really appreciate the information and the fast response!

After I got your response, I called my mother to ask if she knew anything more about this gun. As far as the history goes, she only knows that her father bought it and that her mother kept in the nightstand for years as she was growing up. There were two amusing stories I thought you'd enjoy...

The gun was fired twice that my mother knows of - both times with a purpose. They lived in the vicinity of Van Buren, Arkansas just out of Ft. Smith and at the turn of the century it could on occasion be a rough place.

The first time she remembers the pistol being fired, my grandmother fired it into the air in the middle of the night because something was messing with the chickens. Whatever it was apparently took off and never bothered the chickens again.

The second time it was fired, the results were similar, but the circumstances were quite different. It seems that my grandfather was again out of town with the railroad when some of the local boys decided to - as my mother put it - "tic-tac" one of the window screens on the house. (Apparently, this was done by attaching a cord to the screen, stretching it tight and running something up and down the cord -causing a horrific noise and sounding like someone was breaking in.) My grandmother's adopted brother had opted not to participate in this activity and warned her they were planning it. Sure enough, they came in the middle of the night and she went to a nearby window, opened it and fired into the air. The boys took off, leaving all their paraphernalia and hiding behind a very large cedar tree nearby for quite some time until they felt it was safe to escape. By then, everyone in the house had been back asleep for a long time! The boys never bothered them or the house again.

Three comments - I did find the other assembly number on the yoke. (It's amazing how easy it is to see something like that when you know where to look!) Also I found the serial number on the back of the cylinder which I noticed you mentioned in another reply. I don't plan on removing the grips since they are fragile - I'll leave that to a gunsmith when I get it cleaned up.

Three questions:
First - where would I look to find the hardened steel inserts by the cylinder stop notches? Are those the notches on the outside of the cylinder? I do see a rectangular inserts there above the rectangular indents. (I have 4x, 8x, and 10x jeweler's loupes I use for things like that.)

Second - any idea how old that ammunition is? I think all the Winchester ammo I've seen has WIN on it, not WRA

Third - I don't really plan on doing this because I think it is more of an historical piece than a service piece, but do you think it would be safe to shoot modern ammunition in it?

Also, I am going to send off to S&W for the letter - everyone in the family thinks that is a great idea! Thanks again for all the information.
 
The attached illustration was part of Smith & Wesson’s patent for the insert next to the cylinder stop notch. You can see from the drawing how it was done, and now that you know what to look for you should be able to find them if they are there. But it will take a high-powered glass, as they are too well fitted to see with the naked eye. They are just a small example of the crude work that was done with primitive machinery back then… :rolleyes:

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When you write Roy Jinks at the company to get your revolver “lettered,” be sure to include your stories about “grandma the gunlady.” :D He will get a big kick out of it. Such things make his day.

There is no reason you shouldn’t shoot the revolver if it is in good mechanical condition. The .32 S&W Long cartridge is downloaded because of the many older 19th and early 20th century guns that were chambered to use it. While it isn’t powerful by today’s standards, it is highly accurate and the recoil is mild.

Over the years Winchester used a number of different headstamps on their cartridges, WRA is but one of them. I believe what you have could date anywhere from the mid-1930’s to early 1950’s. Ammunition is currently available, and if you decide to shoot the gun I would suggest that you buy a fresh box. I believe that Winchester still makes it.
 
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Thanks again!

That drawing confirms what I was looking at with the inserts. I thought that was where you were describing they should be - and they are definitely there! (And, as you said, visible only with magnification.) You're right, it certainly is amazing how much better we make things today using our sophisticated methods and machines! :rolleyes:

The question about shooting the revolver is more of a practical issue. I don't plan to use it as I feel its more of an historical piece (I'll use the newer ones for regular shooting) but if I'm going to place this gun with the others, I want to know that it is reliable so I may put a few rounds through it...and part of that reliability would certainly be a box of new ammo. :)

I hope you had a great Christmas and if I don't chat with you again until after the 1st...Have a great New Year's!
 
Post # 16- Old Fuff, S&W

Serial #131011 on Butt, and on magazine end. triggerside, the #3538 visible when magazine is opened"32-20 CTG" on one side of 4'' barrel,"SMITH & WESSON" on otherside of barrel,S&W Trademark on side below thumb switch to open magazine,"MADE IN USA" on reverse side, same placement."SMITH & WESSON SPRINGFIELD MASS. U.S.A.PATENTED FEB.6.06,SEPT.14,08.DEC.29,14"on top of barrelWith original leather holster, in good condition.
 
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Those above are details, can you date this for me? It was my Great Grandfather's, and my Grandfather's, my Mother's, now mine.What modern ammo would be safe in it? What would you reccommend? I would love to fire it as it is another connection with men I never knew...besides my 100 year old Masonic ring which I wear proudly and justly.Thank you in advance Old Fuff!
 
Welcome to The High Road.

Your Great Gandfather's revolver is a Smith & Wesson .32-20 Hand Ejector, Model of 1905, 4th Change.

Between 1905 and 1940 there were 4 major changes made in this revolver, which was also known as the .32-20 Military & Police. It had a 6-shot cylinder and was made on the company's mid-sized or "K" frame. Standard barrel lengths were 4, 5 and 6 inches - measured from the cylinder face to the muzzle. Standard finishes were blue or nickel plate. It could be ordered with a round butt and (usually) black hard-rubber socks, or a square butt with checkered walnut stocks. If the stocks are original the serial number of the gun will be penciled in on the inside of one panel. This is because they were individually fitted to that particular revolver. The number "3538" is an assembly number, unrelated to the serial number, and stamped on the frame and yoke (the part the cylinder swings out on) as they were fitted together, and it was imparative that they be brought back together after the parts were blued or plated.

The 4th change revolvers were made between 1915 and 1940, within a serial number range running from 65,701 to 144,684. I would estimate your revolver was made during the middle-later 1930's, but to be sure you would have to order an historical leter from Smith & Wesson, and pay a reasonable records search fee of $30.00. The letter would among other things say exactly when the gun was shipped from the factory, and to what distributor
or dealer. I strongly recommend that you obtain such a letter for any revolver that's being passed down through the family. For additional information and instructions, go to www.smith-wesson.com

As for shooting it. Smith & Wesson started heat-treating the cylinders for extra strength in September, 1919 at about serial number 81,287. Therefore it would be safe to shoot with any currently loaded .32-20 cartridges from the major makers, such as Winchester or Remington, as well as others that make so-called "cowboy cartridges," which are loaded with lead bullets and downloaded for use in the Cowboy Action Shooting game. All of this of course presumes that the gun you have is in good mechanical condition, and has not been abused.

The cartridge itself was introduced by Winchester for use in their model 1873 and 1892 lever action rifles and carbines. It is also known as the .32 WCF or Winchester Center Fire. Many individuals that owned such a long gun would buy a revolver that used the same cartridge. Perhaps your Great Grandpa was one of these. You should not hesitate to enjoy it.
 
Well might as well keep the ball rolling...

My Father In Law just handed this to me the other day. After I plugged it into Google this was the first post I ran into.

S&W 32 long CTG
Top of barrel: FEB.6.06.SEPT.14.09.DEC.29.14
Inside of grip: 439088
Bottom of grip: PAT.JUNE 5.1917

Any info or general value would be appreciated...

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I've been Googled... :what: :what: :D

Anyway you have a Smith & Wesson .32 Regulation Police (prewar).

These were made between 1917 and 1942, within a serial number range running from 331,320 (give or take) to 536,684. The reason for the high starting number is that it was numbered in the same series as the .32 Hand Ejector, Model of 1903. There the numbers started at 1, and by the time the Regulation Police was introduced 1n 1917 the numbers were in the 331,000 ball park. The only difference between the two was that the 1903 had a round butt, where the Regulation Police has special stocks that converted the round butt to a square shape. The patent No. on the butt (June 5 1917) refers to the design of these stocks.

Because the frame was covered at the bottom by the extended stocks, the serial number was stamped on the forestrap, and also on the rear face of the cylinder and on the barrel's flat just above the ejector rod.

The Regulation Police was either chambered for the .32 S&W Long (6 shot) or .38 S&W (5 shot). Standard barrel lengths were 3 1/4, 4 1/4 or 6 inches (measured from the cylinder face to the muzzle). Cataloged finishes were full blue or nickel plate. The stocks were checkered walnut. I estimate your revolver was made during the middle-late 1920's.

If it's in good mechanical shape it's safe to shoot, ammunition is available, and you'll find it to be exceptionally accurate for a gun of this size.
 
I like the looks of those stocks. Is it possible to purchase those stocks today? I would like to replace the rounded stocks on my .32 S&W if they would fit? I've looked at some other options, but haven't really found anything I liked.
 
Unfortunately no... because they modified the backstrap on the round-butt frame by undercutting it so that the wood fitted better. They did make a slightly different stock that did fit an unmodified 1903 frame, and you can get round-butt to square-butt conversion stocks for the later J-frame guns.
 
Old Fuff thanks so much for the info, time and effort.

Any ideas as to the general value? This was my Father In-Law's main request when he handed it to me.

Thanks again.
 
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To some degree the value depends on what the market demand is for .32 revolvers in your area. So far as interest is concerned, it seems to mostly come from collectors. On the collector's market I would estimate around $325.00, give or take $50.00.

On the other hand I expect to see a jump in new gun prices shortly, and this will be reflected in the used gun market. So far as a neat, little .32 revolver is concerned, they don't come any better then what you've got, and the choice and availability is limited.
 
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