S&W ejector rod - undoing.

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Jim, Fuff, any of you revo guys.

As we all know the reverse (and fine) thread holding the ejector rod assembly together internally, is apt to loosen over time ... the difficulty of cyl closure usually being a symptom.

So - we (lot of us) will use a medium Locktite to obviate this. However, in the event of wanting to do a complete dismantling of crane/cyl ass'y ... this needs undone again. It is more years can I can remember since I had my original M27 torn down that far but have given thought to what is best when dealing with one that ''won't budge''!!

My first approach I guess would be leather lined grips and hope to get enough purchase on the knurl to achieve a result. I have leather and lead lined vice jaws myself - would you go that route if needed?

What options are there - suggestions? Best way??
 
Da' Fuff is here .... :D

Most people make the mistake of gripping the rod out at the far end rather then up by the cylinder. When you do this the rod is much more likely to get bent. You can do the pliers and leather trick, but I prefer a little gadget that Brownells sells (of course) that is a knurled round block with a hole in the middle, sized to slip onto the rod. A screw in the block can then be turned to clamp it to rod, and then the block can be hand-turned to unscrew or screw the rod without bending or scaring it.
 
Steve ... bless ya ... I shoulda done a search shouldn't I? Didn't remember a thread so - plowed on regardless. :rolleyes:

Indeed too - fired cases ... sure as heck takes strain off those two wee pins engaging in the star, and the shallow milled relief along the outer rod.! Good reminder - I had not even mentioned that cos take it as read but sure as heck the way to avoid some grief.

I guess yeah - leather vice jaws sound good, always did me well in past for various things. But as ever - always looking to see what others have done, in case options I may have not thought of. Tricks - sometimes not obvious to a tunnel vision dude like me ... it's an engineer's oft encountered thing.

''Wood for trees'' sorta deal! :D

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Oh Fuff .... ya snuck in when I was typing! :) ... thanks for that too - dang ... why don't I think ''Brownells'' more often - they have so many tricks and gadgets. Just been so long.

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Chris,
No problem my friend. I just to look this up the other day. Sometimes I lurk and just research stuff. Sometimes I look up a member's name and read their old posts. I need a mental break from College / Life Stuff. :)

I have ( or did last time I checked) the S&W Revo book by the guy whom names is K - something ( I always spell it wrong) - it is supposed to be in storage.

Someone asked me the other day [ what do I know?] in a Email - I sent links to them and suggested the book by that "K" fella.

IIRC some models have different threads ( right vs left) maybe a "dash change" - I really don't know. Colt is supposed to be different as well...somehow I think.

My '28 DS has a itty bitty "bind" - sometimes. Since my stuff is not here, and I don't have a Colt book...I am just being careful and all with the DS, being sentimental and all. I don't have any tools or anything to do any smithin' anyway.

Chris - A thought-

Why don't you post a pic of the Brownells tool Old Fuff mentioned , and post pics of the rod and the fix. Be a great thing to share with others in the future on a search .

Since you take great pics and all... :)
 
Good idea re the fix Steve ... just got my new Brownells catalog thru other day - have to see if it is illustrated. After that then maybe some other pics. Time, as ever - time do do stuff - mixed in with the inevitable procrastination LOL!

I am fairly sure IIRC - I have always found the Smiths to be LH thread ... but would hate to assume and spoil. Anyone? Is this consistent or did they change it?

BTW - ''K fella" ......... KRAUSE!! :)
 
You guys ..... Always making me work ... :D

The gadget is: Wessinger Extractor Rod Tool. Brownells Part No. 970-100-001 (For S&W Revolvers.)

Edited to add: The left-hand thread on model 27's was introduced at 27-1 in 1960. Earlier guns had a right-hand thread.

You don't need no model 27 ... You therefore should give it to me .... Get away Steve!!! :neener:
 
Edited to add: The left-hand thread on model 27's was introduced at 27-1 in 1960. Earlier guns had a right-hand thread.
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I knew I had read that on THR / TFL before. I just forget which Forum, and all the posters that typed it.

OLD Fuff...now I am torn. I'm trying to get promoted from Grasshopper 1st Class, and make Reprobate. Chris is a Friend too.

Either way I ain't gonna end up a Model 27 - that I am sure of. :p

Well post a pic of the tool for us folks that don't have a catalog . Yeah I know I could go to Brownell's website...I have enough browsers open as is right now.

Just my luck I'd put Brownells logo on the Excel homework I'm doing...and C&P the item # and Price on the sheet.

I don't think my instructor would give me credit - much less understand how Brownells ended up on a Amortization worksheet for a Bank I am doing...along with whatever else I have going up and running :scrutiny: :D

IIRC there is a big debate on the use of Loctite versus not using Loctite.

Something about one can "rust on purpose" the threads to stay put - still allows one to remove rod easier than if Loctite is used.

I think degreasing and using Cold blue was the "rust on purpose" method. Letting Soak in Hoppe' s , G96 or somesuch - "de rusts".

Comments? Am I on the right track? Still learning folks. :)
 
If the problem is loc-tite (as I thought was the case when I read the first post), some heat applied to the rod (ala a soldering iron or heat gun) might help. Heat helps break loose even the tightest loc-tite. Just getting the heat to the right place may be the issue.
 
If a previous loc-tite application is suspected (or known) Walt's suggestion is the way to go.

I don't believe in "controled rusting" because sometimes it can get out of control. On the other hand, loc-tite can be a too-good solution, and using the wrong kind can cause a serious problem. Before we had the modern thread sealents the common trick was to degrease the threads and then apply ONE drop of fingernail polish or lacquer to the thread and then screw it home. These would keep the part from unscrewing itself, and but be easy to break loose if that became necessary.

Of course if you swipe a lady's fingernail polish your life may be endangered ... :eek: :D

Edited to add: Grasshopper: What'cha got to do is convince the model 27's current owner that you are doing him a big favor by taking such an old and obsolete gun, and then provide him with MY shipping address. :neener:
 
Well I wondered about the "controlled rust" - in a former life's work...sometimes getting metal to "behave" and "control" - don't always work out that way.

I have used a small soldering iron , and a itty bitty torch I used - to "waft" a light flame to heat something to let something go. I am speaking of The Little Torch [tm], with a #4 or #3 ruby tip with Propane/ O2 mix - "tiny" flame. :D

I was fine buying my own Clear nail polish for keeping things tight, no problems buying various colors ...err...shades, for front sights , when I could not find what I wanted in the Testor's Paints.

I got married and the wifey stole my Clear nail polish...only fair to steal her delicate bag for cleaning shotgun hulls...or so I thought....I was "educated" about that... "What is mine is mine and what is yours is mine - ain't no "ours" in this dealie - Sweetie" :uhoh: :D

Old Fuff, see Chris's wife promised me a good homecooked meal, I get to shoot Chris's other toys when I go visit, I'm supposed to spoil his new grandkid too...

You trying to give Chris moving target prractice - at MY expense? :eek: :D

I think I will continue to use the Clear nail polish as I always have...
 
Well I supose I will have to take that "good homecooked meal" into consideration ... :evil:

However watch out that that low-life sneaky Tuner doesn't move on us. He has a weakness when it comes to fine ol' N-frames ... :uhoh: :D

I of course am as pure as fresh driven snow ... ;)
 
New Brownells Page 141 ... unfortunately bottom left of right hand page so not the easiest to scan ... anyways, here is the Wessinger device ... if my shop was not so cold I could set to on the lathe and make one of these ....


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Someone mention moving targets? Where!? .......... :D

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Huh!

I had a tool designed for something else - that had the hole , with a allen screw to tighten kinda like that. I ...err..."Adapt, Overcome, Improvise" comes to mind... :uhoh: It worked! :D

You mean I coulda been famous and had my picture on the cover of Rolling Stone - I mean in Brownells...

I stuck that tool in a Gravers Ball and the Rod came out, cleaned up, Nail polished, and re- installed. This is scary.

Nah...Tuner shows up I'll have Chris toss ...wait it sounds better if Chris's Bonnie tosses Tuner in the "Boot" ...

This Southern Boy knows the terms - not sure them NC types know tho' ... :D

Gonna take a whole bunch of Peppermint to spoil that bunch of Collies Tuner uses for a entourage' .


Seriously - I learned something. Do post a pic with the tool in use. This will be great for future reference for other folks.

< hang on..yeah, yeah okay>

Chris - your supposed to send the Gun to Old Fuff for inspection after you do the repairs. " Safety Checkout" was the bull...err..term Old Fuff used. :D
 
VERY ... VERY GOOD ... !!

As soon as that Model 27 arrives you'll be promoted to Reprobate, Jr. Grade. :evil: :D
 
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Chris - your supposed to send the Gun to Old Fuff for inspection after you do the repairs. " Safety Checkout" was the bull...err..term Old Fuff used.
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Haha .... Fuff ain't gettin' hands on MY 27's! <excuse mode> They just don't travel well any more</excuse mode>.

If'n I do get that device Steve, yeah, I will post to show it in use ... but right now don't really need it desperate ... plus, and here is the thing ... were I to go and order it, I know darned well I'd have to check the catalog ''just in case - other things'' needed. That could be a dangerous (read - expensive) move! :p
 
Determined to make Reprobate before age 50 , Steve (sm) re- reads Old Fuff's last post. Steve has always believed in trusting his "gut instinct".

VERY ... VERY GOOD ... !!

As soon as that Model 27 arrives you'll be promoted to Reprobate, Jr. Grade.
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Steve has determined this last post of Old Fuff's is a "trick post" - testing to see if Steve will reply in turn as a Reprobate tick-tock...tick-tock...

I have decided that Chris should sent that Model 27 to ME for a "Safety Inspection" upon completion of the repairs. :D

This decison is based upon "gut instinct" primarily . In addition to gut instinct, the fact remains the tight circle of Reprobates must remain pure and un-tainted today's society.

Steve also believes in "to keep it - give it away" , and "pass it forward".

Steve was an All-Star baseball player in Little League baseball- not to too shabby as a QB and reciever in LL football. :p Not to mention with a shotgun - if he can see it - he can fell it. :uhoh: :p [ hey it sounded like a good place to bring that stuff up]. :D

I therefore I have replied to Old Fuff's "trick posting" ,as a true Reprobate would reply.

That I have indeed- sucessfully met the Requirements of a Full Fledged Reprobate and Respectfully ask this Title be bestowed me.

Besides - I already cut Old Fuff in the deal I have with Custom grip screws for various makes of Polymer Pistols . Fuff thinks he is making money now - wait till we ship the new genuine imitation gold plated ones out to folks.... :evil:

Chris can change my Title ( being a Mod and all) and THR will be richer for having not one - but two Full Time Reprobates as members. :D
 
The Old Fuff is looking for his hipboots. Hopefully this will not turn into another; GENUINE ALL-STEEL COLT 1911 TRIGGER thread ... :eek: :D :D
 
Hip boots

Nope, not gonna need 'em.

This is a great opportunity for folks to learn about ejector rods. Folks do a search on such topics. With the info already gained, including suppliers and part #'s - we are well on the way.

Pics just add so much to the thread is all.

Granted this is a serious problem, Chris , Old Fuff and others are friends...even with problems I keep a sense of humor.

Repectfully,

THR's Second Offical Reprobate,

Steve.
 
I'm not sure .....

That this, or any other forum ......

Can survive .......

TWO GRUMPY OL' REPROBATES ... :what: :eek: :D
 
you guys crack me up.


And that Wessinger tool and the... uhm...funky off-set screwdriver thingy for removing/installing the rebound slide spring, are about the only specialized tools you ABSOLUTELY need to completely strip S&Ws. And I *hate* tools that only do one thing. They sit there in the kit 99.99% of the time, but when you need them, nothing else will do.
 
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