righteoushoot
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No fair introducing reason and fact into this thread. This is about emotion. 
Big bore snubbies are just cool.
Big bore snubbies are just cool.
S&W needs a Bulldog
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I have to wonder about the forcing cone on that new model 69. Would it not have to be the same or very close to the same thickness as that of the 696 since this is also an L frame? If so,magnum pressure at that point doesn't sound like a good thing.
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I hope you're wrong, but you have a good point. I would mostly want it for 44 spl for carry but would enjoy being able to shoot standard 44 mag loads out of it.
57sw, (love that name by the way) I finally got to see a good photo closeup of the forcing cone on the new Model 69 and it looks as though the barrel shank and cone IS much larger in dia. than my 696. Now, I don't know if they beefed up the frame or just bored a larger hole in it but I think that the forcing cone issue that the 696 has isn't going to be a problem with the 69. It looks to be as substantial as the N frame Model 29. It's almost hard to believe that it is an L frame. I wish they could have applied that solution to the 696. But I have absolutely no plans to push my 696 beyond a 200 to 240 gr. bullet at 900 fps. All of the failed 696s that I have seen were damaged by 180 gr. high velocity flamethrower handloads. Very light bullets hitting the forcing cone at very high speeds is what damages the cone. I am still kind of anxious to see a 69 in person. It's a pretty radical concept for a S&W revolver. Needs a 3 in. barrel and no lock on it though. Now if we could just convince S&W to produce it in .41Mag.
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MagnumDweeb
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Take the model 69, build it in .45 ACP with a 2.5" barrel and call it the 465 Bull. Offer it with or without a bobbed hammer or a fully enclose hammer like the 638. That would be awesome. Then get it out the door below $700. That's where it would get tough.
Charter Arms .44s are not really more than $400 if you go to the right gun shop. That's part of their appeal. When my .44 magnum cases split or deform at the end I give them to a buddy of mine who trims them down for use in .44 specials and .44 Russians. It's nice being able to shoot .44 Russian out of my Redhawk that is setup to achieve .45 ACP performance.
Charter Arms .44s are not really more than $400 if you go to the right gun shop. That's part of their appeal. When my .44 magnum cases split or deform at the end I give them to a buddy of mine who trims them down for use in .44 specials and .44 Russians. It's nice being able to shoot .44 Russian out of my Redhawk that is setup to achieve .45 ACP performance.
"Is there any reason that some enterprising custom smith couldn't lay hands on some S&W or Ruger frames, then add some cylinders and barrels of his own liking to build some short barreled .44 Special, .45 ACP, and .45 Colt Bulldogs?"
As noted, some have. Spokandguns used to along with Dave Clements. Right now Reeder will do a GP100 in .41 mag or .44 Special:
http://www.reedercustomguns.com/revolvers/skorpion.htm
As to .45 Colt I think it is enough bigger than a .44 that the frames would need modifying to fit the barrel shank. Ideally, Ruger would create a new frame to allow this and also have a slightly larger cylinder to also allow a 7 round .357 cylinder and meet a number of needs. That is probably why Taurus could offer all those calibers in a "medium" frame. It will be interesting to see how well the S&W 69 holds up. As an aside here is a Colt Clements converted to .44 SP
http://www.clementscustomguns.com/images/600_140_005.jpg
He stated this is a one off so must have entailed a lot effort. I think someone on one of the gun boards stated that this was his pet.
As noted, some have. Spokandguns used to along with Dave Clements. Right now Reeder will do a GP100 in .41 mag or .44 Special:
http://www.reedercustomguns.com/revolvers/skorpion.htm
As to .45 Colt I think it is enough bigger than a .44 that the frames would need modifying to fit the barrel shank. Ideally, Ruger would create a new frame to allow this and also have a slightly larger cylinder to also allow a 7 round .357 cylinder and meet a number of needs. That is probably why Taurus could offer all those calibers in a "medium" frame. It will be interesting to see how well the S&W 69 holds up. As an aside here is a Colt Clements converted to .44 SP
http://www.clementscustomguns.com/images/600_140_005.jpg
He stated this is a one off so must have entailed a lot effort. I think someone on one of the gun boards stated that this was his pet.
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DM~
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"K" frame 44 spl's weren't all that "pricy", when i had mine built,
I had it built to replace the Charter Arms 44 spl's i had at the time... It's been a GREAT gun, with MUCH better quality....
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I had it built to replace the Charter Arms 44 spl's i had at the time... It's been a GREAT gun, with MUCH better quality....
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Sox
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Heck, I'll take a Ruger, done right. What got me thinkin' this craziness was all the recent snub post which are fantasitic, and the new Taurus "View" Called S&W today and talked to a total asshat-very rare indeed, but just plain negative guy.
I wonder if it could be done with something like an upsized Ruger LCR...
It sure wouldn't have the class of some of the large frame snubbies that showed up in that other thread, but it may be able to be done cheap enough to sell a few and maybe inspire a little interest. Maybe.
It sure wouldn't have the class of some of the large frame snubbies that showed up in that other thread, but it may be able to be done cheap enough to sell a few and maybe inspire a little interest. Maybe.
RealGun
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I was able to buy Hornady Custom (uses XTP bullets) 180 gr not that long ago. I also have ammo from D.R.S. that uses the XTP in 180 gr. Mostly though, I have supplies for reloading that include Hornady XTP 200 gr and enough new brass to keep me shooting and making my own.
What you might find is that stores generally do not stock 44 Special, just like few companies make 44 special guns anymore. I mail ordered mine. That makes the 44 Magnum a reloader's gun, for those who like to shoot the lighter rounds and subsonic.
Midway USA shows 35 different 44 Special loads, of which 17 are intended for self defense, including two from Hornady, one from Winchester, one from Speer and others from smaller manufacturers such as Corbon, Buffalo Bore, Grizzly and Glaser.
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby=1&itemsperpage=24&newcategorydimensionid=15575
Of course few of them are in stock at the moment, but that's not unique to 44 Special.
dickydalton
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One out of 17 is a few?
I wrote "few of them are in stock right now", not "a few". That means "not many are in stock".
As I said, 44 Special isn't the only cartridge that's hard to get right now.
I would be all over a 44 special snubbie but S&W would charge $800 for it. Too much, which caused the untimely demise of their Night Guard series. I loved the concept of the Night Guards, the defensive revolvers I always wondered why no one would make. Then I saw the price! $800 is just too much, and that's the only reason those revolvers are not still on sale today.
I managed to pick up a Model 315 Night Guard in .38 Special used for $600. That was a deal. Very happy with that purchase. However, $800 is too much. And that is what killed the Night Guard and would kill any 44 Special snub Smith put out - it would cost too much.
I managed to pick up a Model 315 Night Guard in .38 Special used for $600. That was a deal. Very happy with that purchase. However, $800 is too much. And that is what killed the Night Guard and would kill any 44 Special snub Smith put out - it would cost too much.
RealGun
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How many guns do you have that cost over $500? If you want a nice gun, you have to buy it.
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I do kind of agree with this. We don't think much of dropping $1K or so on a new high quality AR-15, so why do we balk at spending that much on a quality defensive gun that won't sit in storage 90% of the time?
Having said that, the S&W J-frame airweights are going for like $400 right now. A .44 Special sized snubby probably wouldn't sell as many so they'd likely have to price them higher, but still....
Then again, they're likely to be a limited run if S&W makes them and they know that they guys who want them really want them. With no alternatives in sight, they wouldn't have much reason to keep the cost down. They'd probably charge through the nose just because they could.
Catshooter
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You may not think much of dropping $1,000 on an AR . . .
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ghitch75
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+1.....i'll take my 6 shot till then......
Taroman
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S&W tried and it didn't sell:
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