Some of the stories I hear on threads like this don't even surprise me any more. I did a career in the army in units with very high standards- incompetence and being unsafe was an express ticket OUT, and back to the "big army". After, I worked for a while in a gun shop as a "break" for a while. Moronic incidents were normal, like scenarios described here (people bringing in loaded guns for repair, sale, etc.). When I left the shop to contract overseas for a few years, idiocy seemed to rule the day among the non-military types (and unfortunately, ex-military types sometimes) who carried weapons but weren't accustomed to doing so, or just poorly trained (AD's and other safety violations. lost accountability of weapons and other sensitive gear, etc.). After moving to Fl last summer, I joined a small local range, which turned out to be more like the island of misfit toys, except the toys were armed. Not to mention a staff of RO's that had only a rudimentary understanding of their job. Most of the time when I was there, they were only paying attention to ME and my gear (and asking pointed questions about some of it, asking about tax stamps, etc.) instead of paying attention to the idiot element doing idiot things behind them. They were more concerned with the "cool stuff" that was being used safely than the regular stuff being operated by a squad of monkeys. Soon after, I applied for membership, and was vetted and accepted to an exclusive state-of-the-art facility that rivals most military complexes with capabilities and quality of layout. In fact, many Special Operations and federal LE train there. They also have a zero tolerance policy for safety violations.