I not heard this claim before.The 1911 was NEVER intended to be carried cocked and locked.
I not heard this claim before.
what makes you think this?
typically when someone makes a claim, it's on them to back it up...It's not a claim, it's a simple fact.
Show me in period literature, 1911-1960, where it was designed/intended to be carried that way.
Here's a hint John Moses Browning carried his personal 1911 with the hammer down on a live round. Also the thumb safety wasn't part of the original design.
From the first article:https://rangehot.com/john-browning-intent-1911-carried/
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/designed-to-be-carried-cocked-and-locked-not.502877/
https://archive.org/details/smallarmsfiring03deptgoog/page/n90/mode/2up Page 91 and 92
Cocked and locked was developed by Jeff Cooper in the 1950's.
Thus, the 1911 CAN be carried cocked and locked, but it wasn’t designed or intended specifically TO be carried that way. An option. Nothing more
From the first article:
so... it wasn't designed NOT to be cocked and locked?
ETA: thanks for links!
I will add that beyond supporting everyone's 2A rights, I don't care if others carry, what they carry or the status of what they are carrying.None of my carry guns have manual safeties and there is always a round in the pipe.
Cocked and locked was developed by Jeff Cooper in the 1950's.
Concur. Stephen Hunter did a lot of research on this while writing his fine novel G-Men, and detailed these practices.This isn't entirely true. Cooper may have got the credit but it was a fairly common practice before him.
I wish I could remember where it was but I made a similar claim about Cooper on another forum and I got multiple photographs of Texas Rangers from the 20s and 30s carrying not only cocked and locked but also with the grip safety disabled.
I would not use a soft bodied holster with a striker fired gun (or single action auto) without a manual safety. If had a gun with a light, short trigger pull, I'd really want a solid, stiff, holster made specifically for my gun.As a big framed guy, waistband holsters are not optimal, I use a belly band which holds the gun in place well but is not hard cased. Would this cause concern?
Concur. Stephen Hunter did a lot of research on this while writing his fine novel G-Men, and detailed these practices.
When carrying one in the chamber do you prefer a manual safety on or no? Am purchasing a p365 xl and debating this issue with myself. The non safety version is easier to find. I have always carried one in the pipe and safety on. Not sure I can convince myself to carry with no safety. Can anyone enlighten me on this? Am I just being paranoid?
If that is the case, me and a whole bunch of other people were doing it wrong for a long time. Not to mention some highly proficient users who still carry them.The 1911 was NEVER intended to be carried cocked and locked.
As a big framed guy, waistband holsters are not optimal, I use a belly band which holds the gun in place well but is not hard cased. Would this cause concern?