Saiga 922r help

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So I want to convert my Saiga 7.62x39 rifle to 922r compliant. Seems pretty simple to me, but since i live in the wonderful state of NJ I can't have a pistol grip AND adjustable butt stock on my rifle. However, I can't find a Saiga stock set that's made in a non-folding/collapsing style that includes a pistol grip. I check brownells, midway and even cheaper than dirt and all i find are the AR style collapsing stocks (which i would love to have but considering my location, I'm not allowed to have a grenade launcher of all things :rolleyes: ).

Anyway, I'd love to know if anyone has ever purchased such a stock set and knows where I could find one or maybe even make one, I'm open to ideas.
 
I am unclear on what exactly you are doing. A conversion means a separate pistol grip and butt stock. You could use a standard AK shaped non-adjustable stock. Is there something else in New Jersey laws that prevent doing a standard conversion?
 
A conversion means a separate pistol grip and butt stock. You could use a standard AK shaped non-adjustable stock. Is there something else in New Jersey laws that prevent doing a standard conversion?
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Not in the laws no. But I am under the impression that the buttstock and pistol grip comprise one piece. I have never handled an AK variant rifle aside from my saiga (which does not feature a pistol grip). All of the pictures and advertisements of replacement ak47 stocks show the grip and stock as connected and none that i have found are non adjustable.

I am unclear on what exactly you are doing.
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I am going to make my Saiga rifle 922r compliant so it would be allowed to have a pistol grip, and if I move at some point in the future, to accept magazines with a greater capacity than 15. If I add a pistol grip the rifle would be considered unsporting and therefore I need to add more American parts until it complies with the law.
 
have you been to the saiga forum http://forum.saiga-12.com/ I am sure others in your area have done the conversions. Personally I deal with Dinzagarms.com for all my saiga aftermarket items. Fast shipping and decent prices along with items that other just don't handle.
 
So if there is nothing requiring you to get a one piece butt stock-grip, then you are doing the standard conversion. They are two separate pieces, and you should be able to find an assortment of butt stocks that are non-adjustable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU96VbnSoTc
That is part one of a series. You can watch him convert his Saiga.
 
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Nice checklist here: http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/BuildSaigaVerifyCompliance

You can put a pistol grip on it without doing a trigger conversion. Tapco makes a stock for that. The trigger conversion is fairly simple with basic tools though. If you change the forend (1), buttstock (1), gas piston (1) and magazine (3 parts) to U.S. made parts you should be good to go. If you change the trigger group to U.S. parts that would be even better. Plus you can easily modify the mag catch to take AK mags and not worry about 922r compliance if you do the full conversion with U.S. parts.
 
Do a standard AK conversion using regular AK grip and buttstock. Just don't do the bullet guide thing to use regular AK mags, i.e, use the standard Saiga 10 rounders. Actually you can make the stock 10 rounders into 13-14 rounders by cutting the follower shorter. Under 15 is legal in NJ.
 
I think this is the issue.

One way to convert a Saiga rifle to 922r compliant is to replace the butt stock, the fore grip and only use American magainzes. This will get you the five US parts you need to become 922r compliant. In this case the grip and buttstock are one piece and, to my knowlege, the only stock you can get is the Tapco with the AR 6 position stock. It sounds like this won't fly in NJ.

The other option involves modifying the trigger group, which results in a better trigger and allows the use of foreign magazines. This involves cutting rivets and moving the trigger forward to where it is supposed to be. It is a bit more involved but allows the use of more magazines, a better trigger, and the use of all AK stocks. This includes a range of American made 922r compliant magazines.

Have I summed up the issue properly?
 
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I think this is the issue.

One way to convert a Saiga rifle to 922r compliant is to replace the butt stock, the fore grip and only use American magainzes. This will get you the five US parts you need to become 922r compliant. In this case the grip and buttstock are one piece and, to my knowlege, the only stock you can get is the Tapco with the AR 6 position stock. It sounds like this won't fly in NJ.

The other option involves modifying the trigger group, which results in a better trigger and allows the use of foreign magazines. This involves cutting rivets and moving the trigger forward to where it is supposed to be. It is a bit more involved but allows the use of more magazines, a better trigger, and the use of all AK stocks. This includes a range of American made 922r compliant magazines.

Have I summed up the issue properly?
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Yes, I think you have. Can't one drill and stake the Tapco stock to be legal in areas where an adjustable stock is not allowed. I would think this would be fairly simple. Yes, I forgot to mention the bullet guide in my post.
 
I think this is the issue.

One way to convert a Saiga rifle to 922r compliant is to replace the butt stock, the fore grip and only use American magainzes. This will get you the five US parts you need to become 922r compliant. In this case the grip and buttstock are one piece and, to my knowlege, the only stock you can get is the Tapco with the AR 6 position stock. It sounds like this won't fly in NJ.

The other option involves modifying the trigger group, which results in a better trigger and allows the use of foreign magazines. This involves cutting rivets and moving the trigger forward to where it is supposed to be. It is a bit more involved but allows the use of more magazines, a better trigger, and the use of all AK stocks. This includes a range of American made 922r compliant magazines.

Have I summed up the issue properly?
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Yes, excellently put. I don't possess the tools necessary to be drilling precision holes into a weapon safely.

They are two separate pieces
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This I was not aware of. I have been under the assumption that the AK47 stock and pistol grip are all one piece. Now that that's cleared up I think I'll be able to refine the parts that i'm looking for. Can I go over the required amounts of US parts for compliancy or is that a no-no?
 
You dont have to drill any holes to do the conversion. You just have to grind the heads off of two rivets, and grind one pinch weld off (I've heard-jokingly-but believe that weld is made of anti-tank artillery proof material. It's a tough bugger). A dremel and an hour or so is all it took me.

Plenty of videos and tutorials out there.
 
There are one piece butt stock/pistol grip combos available for Saiga's that you can use with the factory trigger. These are for Saiga only, and a standard AK has a separate butt and pistol grip. That is what I was confused by when I asked for clarification. These may or may not be available with a fixed stock, I am not sure. For these, it's just remove the screw, and put the new one on. But, I am not sure what, if anything you would gain by doing this. Maybe someone else does :/
A standard conversion isn't precision work by any means, which is one of the cool things about converting. You'll discover the simplicity of the AK design, and learn how it works and goes together.
Watch the full series that I linked above of a guy doing it at his kitchen table, without any experience, using instructions off the net, and see if it looks like something more manageable. It makes the rifle handle and balance a lot better, and the trigger is a lot better too.
 
I think that I have the solution for you. I was also looking at this issue due the shotgun ban in the also 'wonderful' people's republic of the state of NY. If you have a pistol grip then you cannot use the 10round magazines, only 5 maximum that defeats one of the most attractive aspects of the saiga shotgun in the first place.

The idea is to take a US made stock that has the following characteristics:

1-It is a full block rigid stock.
2-Collapsible even pinned are out, as those by themselves are useless w/o a grip that we know we cannot use in this case anyway.
3-Thumb-hole stocks are not good even if they are USA made.

So IMO I have three options sorted from the most simple and inexpensive to the more complex:
A) Get a thumb-hole US made stock and cut the top slot so it is open. Some of the stocks have the grip in an angle and have enough meat at the bottom that will not compromise the integrity of the stock.
B) A US made polymer stock that is a good candidate to be transformed and work an support piece that goes a little further back and can be molded and bolted to make a secure grip. Then you will need a cheek raiser that will become mandatory to reach the perfect line of sight. I though the contender polymer stock could be a good one but first I need to find out is made here.
C) Have a gunsmith custom cut a new one for you. I would also looks a the hammerhead stock or some other options that suit your taste and ergonomics better.

What needs to be done is nothing new for the also lucky people of the people's republic of the state of california that have been dealing these nonsense bans for a long time.

Here some ideas...
http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=ar15


I have other links of folk's creative ideas to implement an functional and ergonomic yet legal stock for ARs and AK's "EVIL" guns.
I will try to find them and will post them here.

If anyone has an encore and knows if the stock is made in the USA that feedback would be highly appreciated. This might be all I need for the S12.

S12 is a shotgun and doesn't have the same ban restrictions as the AK saiga carbines but in the end the same grip vs something else dilemmas.

Cheers.
 
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Mac66,
I think that idea of using 10 rounders is a great one but I believe you want to stick to as many US parts as you can. So for example any tapco or similar US made will count as a 3 parts but the original saiga or any preban metal will not count. Did you mean a US made?.... I think
 
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