San Francisco PD dumps Beretta

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San Francisco PD dumps Beratta

http://www.sfexaminer.com/article/index.cfm/i/062404n_pdguns

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Cops ditching Beretta for new semi-automatic.
The Police Department is phasing out more than 2,000 of the semi-automatic Beretta handguns issued to every police officer and replacing them with another weapon, saying that there were issues with some of the Berettas that could have a minor effect on accuracy.

But a police official said the use of Berettas had never placed the public in danger nor arisen as an issue in any officer-involved shootings of suspects.

Cops first noticed an issue with the Beretta semi-automatics about a year ago at the Police Academy target range and initially corrected it by changing the gun's ammunition and replacing the barrels, said Deputy Chief of Administration Antonio Parra.

Police said the problem was a phenomenon known as "keyholing." Examiner research found that keyholing is the failure of a bullet to remain balanced in flight so that it enters the target sideways, leaving an elongated opening.

"It can minorly affect the accuracy of a weapon," Parra said.

The issue was noticed in about a half-dozen weapons when officers arrived at the Academy for their mandatory re-qualification in shooting.

Police will start introducing SIG-Sauer guns, like Berettas a .40-caliber weapon, on July 1. The arms will arrive in shipments of about 200 at a time, and it may take up to a year to fully switch to the new weapon, Parra said.

"We are switching to Sig because we feel it's a quality product," Parra said. "We are always looking for the finest tools to give our officers ... this is an upgrade," he said.

Sig, a Swiss company, also gave more responsive customer service than Beretta, an Italian firm, Parra said.

Police have arranged with Sig to dismantle the Berettas and send them to Sig in exchange for a monetary credit of up to $350,000, Parra said.

Cops switched from revolvers to the semi-automatic Berettas back in 1995, in the wake of the slaying of Police Officer James Guelff. Police did consider selecting Sigs guns at the time, but Beretta was a more competitive bidder.

Police Commission president Louise Renne has raised concerns about where redundant police weapons would wind up.

In her former role as city attorney, Renne sued gun manufacturers, charging that they supplied arms to dealers who knowingly sold to criminals.

"I have a very strong prejudice against gun manufacturers. There is strong evidence in a lot of cases that gun manufacturers are not limiting their sales to the Police Department," Renne said.

Parra said the registration numbers of the existing Berettas would be destroyed and the new Sigs' numbers would be registered with the Department of Justice.

The City Attorney was "looking at the legal issues" involving Beretta as the manufacturer, Parra said, but didn't elaborate.

Beretta USA did not return calls seeking comment.


BTW Can you believe this?
"I have a very strong prejudice against gun manufacturers. There is strong evidence in a lot of cases that gun manufacturers are not limiting their sales to the Police Department," Renne said.
 
gunsmith, and YES I can believe this from a S.F. CA official. The Police Commission president is "shocked", "shocked" I say, to find out some people in the FREE USA can have guns!!!:D
 
What a waste of tax payer money. It pisses me off they take perfectly good Berettas and put them on the chopping block. :banghead:


At least they get to use Sigs :D
 
I'm gonna call Renne's office tomorrow

And let her know that her suspiscions are correct,why we even have a GUNSTORE in SanFrancisco! (gasp)
 
I have a very strong prejudice against gun manufacturers. There is strong evidence in a lot of cases that gun manufacturers are not limiting their sales to the Police Department," Renne said.

:what: Oh, the horror!! I sure hope she doesn't write to her Senator and let her know that.....
 
I am with Wild on this one...BOYCOT THEM!!!!!!!:fire:











I mean ANY police department that would force it's employess to carry a SIG, should be SHUNNED by there brothers and sisters..
 
Well, I'm not a police department. I own a Sig. I didn't buy it from a police department.

I'd say that this is not "strong evidence"... this is in fact "undeniable PROOF" that SIG is NOT limiting their sales to police departments only, since I own one!!! The police commission president was right!!
 
It's a shame they're apparently going to destroy those Berettas. I'd pick a SIG over a Beretta myself (and I did) but still, it's just WRONG to ruin those pistols.
 
gunsmith,

If you have a gunstore in th SF city limits, please let me know! I cnan't find one anywhere.

Also, your name implies you are a professional gunsmith. True?

Thanks,

Jimbo
 
jimbo

I meant "we the people of San Francisco" have a gun shop. It's called Highbridge Arms, I've bought stuff there,they have lots (for SF that is) of guns,ammo & accessories for sale. Please be sure to patronize your local gun shop,they need the support.

I am not a gunsmith and I own no gun stores-if I ever do own a gun store it wont be in SF CA,probably no where in CA unless things change.

I am very far from being a gunsmith,I can hardly even clean my guns without messing it up some how!
 
Originally SIG, a swiss company designed the gun and had it made by Sauer &son an old german gun maker. So it was SIG-Sauer. Now ,I think, SIG is out of it but I think Sauer has bought the name SIG. Sometimes it's hard to follow all the changes.
 
Oh those poor Berettas...

Louise Renne spent $1 mil prosecuting that BS lawsuit. Naturally, SF lost. What a way to waste $ to make a political statement. Thanks Louise! You'll never have my vote.
 
The Police Department is phasing out more than 2,000 of the semi-automatic Beretta handguns issued to every police officer and replacing them with another weapon, saying that there were issues with some of the Berettas that could have a minor effect on accuracy.

Probably powdered sugar from the donuts that messed up the bore. Sugar is pretty abrasive, and glazes on metals when heated.
 
What gets me is how these people in politics and other positions of power don't even bother to check there facts. I bought two Sig's about 4 years ago that were both LEO trade-ins. I then traded one of them to my son-in-law. the shop I buy from allot, takes LEO trade-ins all the time. they clean them up replace the mags with 10rd mags and sell them for very good prices. I would imagine if this broad new that she would freak out. I don't now about other states, but here in Washington state buying LEO trade-ins is no big thing.


:) :) :cool: :cool: ;)
 
Its a no brainer move for sig.

Sell 2000 P226's at $400 each.

Buy 2000 berettas for $350k.

Sell berettas at $400 (hey, cant argue with a $250 markup) and make out like bandits to GI joe wannabes who have to have a beretta 92 because "if it sucks so bad how come the army uses it?"

FYI: A good counter argument can be one of the following

Dont forget your weapon is made by the lowest bidder
If the army's issuing them by the thousands, its probably BECAUSE it sucks
*insert italian joke here*
 
Maybe this "Police Commission president" :barf: :barf: should recommend that the SFPD limit the purchasing of the new weapons to those companies that ONLY sell to PDs. (Wouldn't it be funny to see that department patroling the streets UNARMED because of that ignorant **tch?) :cuss:
 
Actually duke, I believe the SFPD uses Beretta 96s.

Ya know, maybe SiG will melt down the Berettas and give them new life...as SiGs they can then sell back to SFPD.
 
Police Commission president Louise Renne has raised concerns about where redundant police weapons would wind up.
In her former role as city attorney, Renne sued gun manufacturers, charging that they supplied arms to dealers who knowingly sold to criminals.
"I have a very strong prejudice against gun manufacturers. There is strong evidence in a lot of cases that gun manufacturers are not limiting their sales to the Police Department," Renne said.

And there are only two choices right? Only the police can have guns . . . . everyone else is a criminal.
 
"I have a very strong prejudice against gun manufacturers. There is strong evidence in a lot of cases that gun manufacturers are not limiting their sales to the Police Department," Renne said.
Seems pretty pissed that arms production isn't limited to the state's desires. Well, welcome to America, Renne.
 
If Renne is so against gun manufacturers, let "her" cops carry sticks only.




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